troll
: to harass, criticize, or antagonize (someone) especially by provocatively disparaging or mocking public statements, postings, or acts.
haha, very true.
Thanks for posting this! Been waiting for a group shot, not really seeing that many in-hand images from Space Cadet Raph here.glad to be done with S7 as far as TMNT goes
And your Undercover Don looks great! Wish I had that revolver that came with Undercover Raph, I gave him Super7 Destro's desert eagle since that's the only gun I have that fits him.
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Ah so these threads have fallen into the "any criticism or discussion about the line that isn't 100% positive is trolling" mindset.
Great, another reason to avoid these threads, because god forbid a discussion forum is used for anything other than a hugbox these days.
Ah so these threads have fallen into the "any criticism or discussion about the line that isn't 100% positive is trolling" mindset.
Great, another reason to avoid these threads, because god forbid a discussion forum is used for anything other than a hugbox these days.
Agreed. And there's plenty of criticism that is warranted when it comes to Super7. If you're a snowflake that can't handle that and feels the need to block people when they do have criticism, maybe this forum isn't for you.
Yeah, there hasn’t been any trolling here except for when it was brought up. Otherwise, people have just been griping about flaws in the line, which they’re allowed to do. As long as we’re not insulting each other for having different opinions, what’s the big deal?
That being said, a piece of context that's sometimes missing, and bears keeping in mind, is that many people who are not in the 'Super7 Cheering Section' - once were. Not talking about you, mind, but there's sometimes this pervasive attitude when defending S7 that anyone criticizing them is a 'hater' or just wants to stir up trouble. And that's ignorant of the reality that most of those people early on were first in line to buy this stuff and make their wishlists and desperately hope that S7 cranks out a quality product. I don't think any vintage toy TMNT fan was sitting around hoping S7 would make garbage just so they'd "get" to come complain about it.
Me. This is me right here. I had been hoping for a "TMNT Classics" ever since discovering MOTU Classics back in like 2013. Holding one of those figures was like holding the figure you thought you were playing with as a kid. Your creative adolescent brain had filled in all of the gaps the tech and budget had created in those 80s and 90s toys. I wanted that bad for TMNT.
After preordering three waves and waiting months the very first figure I opened, the wave 1 Foot Soldier, snapped at the elbow immediately after taking him out of the package. Yikes. Then Super7's customer service told me "tough luck" and it was only after weeks of squeaky wheel emailing and sending back the broken figure that they finally agreed to send me a new one (which has stayed straight-armed). Absolutely terrible first impression for a line I'd been waiting years for. Thankfully no other figures have broken on me but there have been plenty of others that won't stand, can't use their accessories, don't look like the promo images, etc etc etc. Oh and the price went UP. This should have been my favorite line but instead I boxed everything back up earlier this year because looking at them didn't make me happy, it just made me annoyed and frustrated about what could should have been.
So yeah, not a hater, just someone that has learned to not expect much from Super7. I'll keep buying the vintage recreation figures but only on discount and after watching reviews.
If this line brings you so much misery, why are you here? Just move on with your life. I genuinely don't understand this flavor of masochism.
Fair question, even if maybe you intended it as a 'got'cha' moment here. There's an answer and I'm happy to give it. And the answer is nuance. Nuance that maybe is lost since we lost all the discussion that took place prior to the original forum's implosion. There's a lot to it, though. The fact remains that I am a HUGE fan of the vintage toy line and a modern recreation of that line is something I'm deeply invested in. How each figure turns out is something that matters to me. The only company making this type of product doing a bad job at it, for no good reason, matters to me.
But amongst the negativity surrounding bad decisions and bad figures and bad QC, it gets lost that I've also said that I'm reasonably happy with my four Turtles, despite the unreasonably-limited ROM and Leo having the wrong swords. I praised Slash, despite turning out with the wrong skin color, as one of Super7's best figures - in their entire toy catalogue, not just in TMNT. Bebop was a nice, big chunk of plastic that looks impressive on the shelf next to the Turtles. Muckman has terrible articulation but damn if he doesn't look pretty incredible. I've been very open with my praise as I am with my criticisms.
There's stuff I like here, not just 'stuff for me to come complain about' - even though that stuff rises to the top because it's FAR more common. And Super7's quality seems to have taken a nosedive, which means it's less common to praise something. But even going back in this thread, I said Genghis Frog looks awesome and like he might be one of Super7's better figures.
Maybe that's why I'm here. I'll never pretend the problems don't exist. In fact, I think Super7 should be absolutely raked over the coals for how shitty they are as a company. But I always go in to each wave with hope that it will be better than what's come before because I -want- these figures to be good. I so, so badly wanted to love Space Cadet Raph. I am not a godly man, but I was nearly praying for Samurai Leo - one of my favorite toy variants ever - to just be -good-. Not even great. Just good would have been enough for me (spoiler; it wasn't).
And boy I tell you... I cannot express how badly I want the rocker Turtles to turn out well. And despite having every reason to think they won't, I'm still gonna sit here and hope. I'll watch the thread, and chat about what's out now and what's coming and MAYBE Super7 will do a 180, re-evaluate why so many customers are unhappy, and finally start cranking out the kind of figures they should be making, and that TMNT deserves.
And if they do, I'll be right here to praise their good work. But it cannot happen, will not happen, if the only commentary going on is praise. 'Oh these are so great' - while more and more customers stop buying them. How does that ultra positivity help anything, then?
A really long answer you probably didn't want or care about. But you asked and there it is.
@normdapito Thanks, man. That's very kind of you to say.
I often see the sentiment pop up that negativity breeds negativity. People seem love to complain about negativity, and I agree, negativity for the sake of negativity is annoying, lacks value, and is hardly constructive. I would also counter that positivity for the sake of being positive is just as annoying. Fanboys, we often refer to them as in these spaces, might be less useful than the grumps. Discussion without nuance is boring, love this or don't post about it is backwards. I don't see any bad faith criticism in this topic. It's definitely more slanted towards the critical of Super7, but I think that's a pretty accurate representation of the product as well. You should have seen how full the clearance section of my local comic store was over the weekend with stuff from Super7. They have issues, and the only path to improvement is to point them out in hopes that they get addressed. They probably won't because it's always easier to blame some other external force for their shortcomings (people are too picky, the customer doesn't know what it wants, etc.) which is a shame because I don't see how the company can continue like this. It seems like the enthusiasm for their products is waning by the day and the owner/founder/whatever his title is now is even making remarks about how soft preorders are as if it's a reflection on the industry itself. And I bet there is some contraction industry wide after the COVID boom we saw in collecting spaces, but I wouldn't be surprised if Super7 is feeling it a lot more than some of these other companies.
If you're a wrestling fan, Bruce Prichard has a podcast, and he'll often get asked why some wrestlers never became bigger stars. This guy might have had everything the WWF/WWE would want in a wrestler, he had a great look, a great gimmick, he was a great talker on the mic, so why was he never a main eventer? And Bruce will often say "Yeah, he seemed to have the complete package. And then the bell rang..." Meaning while on paper, the wrestler seemed to be perfect, he just wasn't able to be passible in the ring as an actual wrestler once the bell rang and the match started.
That's how I feel about Super7 figures. "And then the bell rang" might as well be "And then I opened them." As others have said, these are made look great in packaging, not to function as actual action figures. Before the forums blew up and erased all of our post history, I remember I made a post saying something like "collecting these figures has brought me so much nostalgic joy, this might be my favorite figure line ever." Of course, at that time, I still had them all in package. I'm not an in-box collector, I just didn't have the shelf space for them at the time. I sold off some other figures and made the shelf space. And then I opened them...
And on a side note, if someone's attacking another user personally, yeah we don't need that negativity here. But criticizing toy companies and some of the decisions they make is not being negative any more than praising them is being a shill. It's a discussion forum, we're allowed to have discussions here. That's the entire purpose. Who else on this planet can we talk about this stuff with? The population of adult toy collectors is generally a very small percentage of the human population. I don't have any friends who collect, if I tell my girlfriend that Leo's swords are too long and Donatello's staff is too short, she'll just roll her eyes at me. The great thing about the internet is we can find people who understand the frustration of spending $50 on a toy to relive your childhood and it having a very avoidable flaw.
If I am going to get insulted and attacked, for every single post I make, I'm just not going to stick around.
It gets old fast.
The insults have been there, maybe some of them have been edited, but it's been straight up gaslighting.
You guys can enjoy these good times without me.
Don't feed the trolls.
I'd rather go back to enjoying the hobby alone, than fight all day. That's not why I signed up here.
Believe it or not, I have better things to do with my time and my life.
I might drop some pictures in once in a while, but like I said...I've already had enough.
You all can enjoy the endless complaints without me.
Who is attacking or insulting you? Your assertions have been challenged, but I haven't seen anyone attack YOU the individual specifically. If you want to play the victim though, go right ahead. If you want to make an objective statement and not hear any challenge to it, then yeah, this place probably isn't for you. You could go start a blog or maybe a podcast where you can even interview Brian Flynn (he doesn't seem like a tough get) and play grab-ass for an hour if that's what you want to do. There's more criticism for Super7's product in this thread than praise and I personally think that's just a reflection of the quality of the line. Believe me, in the "before times" on the old board there was a lot of enthusiasm for this line, but it has since eroded over the years not because people decided they no longer wanted what Super7 is selling, but because the product keeps failing to meet the standards of most.
And I'd like to add, I'm not anti-Super7 or something. I have spent a lot of money on their products. Not just TMNT, but MOTU and Thundercats Ultimates as well. Not to mention a ton of ReAction figures. I just want them to do better. The value isn't there for the price they're charging. Either improve the figures or lower the price. I have a lot of the same issue with McFarlane figures that I do with Super7, but those figures are like a third of the cost of Ultimates, which makes me a lot more forgiving of them. Super7 charges a premium price, but they just are not offering a premium product. I'm not a hater. I don't want them to go out of business or anything like that. I just want them to improve their product.
That's how I feel about Super7 figures. "And then the bell rang" might as well be "And then I opened them." As others have said, these are made look great in packaging, not to function as actual action figures. Before the forums blew up and erased all of our post history, I remember I made a post saying something like "collecting these figures has brought me so much nostalgic joy, this might be my favorite figure line ever." Of course, at that time, I still had them all in package. I'm not an in-box collector, I just didn't have the shelf space for them at the time. I sold off some other figures and made the shelf space. And then I opened them...
To be fair, they look great out of the packaging as well. It's when you start messing with them that it all falls apart. Take my Sewer Surfin' Leo for example. Man, looking at that figure brings me so much joy... But then I touch it and the legs just go splisville and that joy evaporates. Then when I put him in a cool pose again, it's back. And don't even get me started on changing the head or hands.
I also completely agree about the value not being there. Subjectively most of them are worth the price for me. But objectively? Hell no. Warped accessories, loose joints, some terrible enigneering...
It's good to see that wave 8 does seem pretty solid for the most part. I'm still only gonna collect the Turtle variants from now on, there's no way in hell I'm passing on Punker Don (my favourite vintage figure), Classic Rock Leo and Slam Dunkin' Don. This just looks way too good:
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I agree on the "looks" aspect of most of the figures. Some do look horrible, but Samurai Leo is a perfect example of a figure that looks like something I want to own, until I try to do anything with it. Those extra hands and the extra head are basically useless because the QC was so terrible with that figure. Most of the turtle variants look okay to good. I won't pay $55 for him, but Slam-dunkin' Don could be a fun one for the shelf, though what is going on with that left hand? I hope they're still tweaking that. He also really should come with a flight stand since he has "slam-dunkin'" in his name.
I've mostly paid full price for the Super7 figures I have (got glow Leo on a sale and used store credit, plus a sale price, to get glow Don), but I was looking at my collection after getting in Raph and Robot Rocksteady and thinking about which ones were truly worth the price. I have Muckman and Bebop as no-doubters, both were $45, and I think the actual turtles, Rocksteady, and Baxter are debatable at their original $45. Slash is on the fringe, and would be more of a no-doubter if he came in at $45. Samurai Leo, Leatherhead, Sewer Surfer Mike, Scratch, and Metalhead probably aren't worth the asking price for one reason or another. And of those, I think Mikey and Scratch are fine, but $55 is probably too much and both were on sale within 6 weeks or so of release. All of the rest I'd say aren't worth what Super7 charged, and for me, haven't even been worth a clearance buy.
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