I'm kind of surprised people are excited to jump into a brand new niche line right after Super7 announced they were canceling two much bigger lines, Disney and Simpsons. I think with Super7 you need to ask yourself, "would I be ok with an incomplete cast?". If the answer is no then you best wait until they've already put out everything you want before buying. You might get a couple waves out of this but I'd temper your expectations for much past that.
I'm kind of surprised people are excited to jump into a brand new niche line right after Super7 announced they were canceling two much bigger lines, Disney and Simpsons. I think with Super7 you need to ask yourself, "would I be ok with an incomplete cast?". If the answer is no then you best wait until they've already put out everything you want before buying. You might get a couple waves out of this but I'd temper your expectations for much past that.
I was going to say this myself.
Genuinely - anyone that buys into this line assuming it will continue is being foolish. Anyone can do what they want with their money. If you like stuff, buy it. Sure. But fuck all the way off with coming back here in three years whining because D&D is cancelled and they only ever put out two waves and didn't make more than half of the main characters. You have AMPLE warning not to go into this with any expectations beyond getting something that looks approximately like the renders.
If it feels cheap in your hands? You knew ahead of time. Loose joints or unstable/weak joints that break very easily? You knew ahead of time. Cancelled? You knew ahead of time. Articulation doesn't function like in the renders? You knew ahead of time. Different color than the original renders you pre-ordered on? You knew ahead of time. Weird figure pricing in future waves? You knew ahead of time. Gummy or out of scale accessories? You knew ahead of time. It'll look better in production? No it won't, and you knew that ahead of time.
Go in with eyes wide open, like that Creed song or whatever, and don't complain when you get exactly what Super7 is known for.
But if these tickle your toy button, then by all means. I just hate the idea of people giving this shit-stain of a company more money and then being disappointed because they convinced themselves 'this time will be better.'
Not to mention the weird character selection designed to trickle out the big wants over time so the line can continue indefinitely.
Three waves of Simpsons figures and not a single figure of the main family in their "normal" attire.
@tsi Correction: FOUR waves! It really is unbelievable.
If you're excited by this line and the silver lining sort of person, it would practically be company suicide for this first wave to get cancelled before production begins. Super7 can't afford another failure right now. That makes it at least pretty likely you'll get a wave two and it might have a lot of heavy hitters, but yeah, definitely don't buy if you need a "complete" display for this line to make you happy. Somewhat lost in that interview was Brian trying to set expectations for IPs to only have 3 or 4 waves and then be done. That's apparently their new philosophy now so I guess adjust expectations accordingly.
Super7 is in a precarious situation right now between the massive clearances we saw on their products and recent cancellations. Retailers are going to order less and I doubt these bonus head packs and whatever are really moving the needle much on their prepaid direct orders. My assumption is they're going to have to shoulder more risk than they're used to if they want to stay in this business. And it's always possible they decide they don't want to and go back to just focusing on ReAction and vinyl stuff.
If you're excited by this line and the silver lining sort of person, it would practically be company suicide for this first wave to get cancelled before production begins. Super7 can't afford another failure right now. That makes it at least pretty likely you'll get a wave two and it might have a lot of heavy hitters
Maybe this is me being overly negative but.. I wouldn't even count on this if I'm being honest and critical about the company's recent history. Realistically, I don't think wave one will be cancelled unless pre-orders really are just that abysmal. But if they are... Flynn will just blame the customers and the overall health of the toy industry (while Hasbro sells 500 dollar tanks and helicopters, and S7 themselves sell 500 dollar Turtle Vans and Thunder Tanks and Cats' Lairs, and NECA sells street dioramas and sewer playsets -- you know, all because the industry is in terrible straits).
And if the sales are bad enough for a wave 2 to not materialize, then that announcement won't come for probably another year at LEAST. Which gives them some distance from the previous time they dumped a line. That's what works in their favor. The product comes out slow enough that cancelling products or entire lines doesn't really happen one right after the other, so it doesn't hurt their reputation as much as it -should-.
By the time they cancel a very unfinished D&D line, the cancellation of Simpsons and Disney will be far enough in the rearview for no one to really fault S7 except those of us that are already faulting them for being a shit company run by a guy that should not be in charge of a school science project, let alone a company.
@theknightdamien I think given their usual timeline, people should know if Wave Two is DOA roughly six months from now, which isn't particularly long in the toy world. We're probably right around the same amount of time right now from when The Rescuers were cancelled. They'll likely put it up for preorder 3 months from now, maybe 4, and I would guess we'll know if it failed or not a month or so after that. That is, of course, assuming the initial wave moves into production. Always possible Super7 plays some games here and if Wave One sales are soft delays a cancellation announcement on it until after they see what the reception is for Wave Two, especially if it's designed around reusing tools created for the first wave. Nothing is guaranteed, and I would still tell anyone who wants a complete collection of D&D figures to order from anyone other than Super7 so you can cancel if need be. If Simpsons is sort of the model here, you may only be in for one wave by the time the line is put on ice with 3 additional waves outstanding that can be dumped before payment is needed.
@theknightdamien I think given their usual timeline, people should know if Wave Two is DOA roughly six months from now, which isn't particularly long in the toy world. We're probably right around the same amount of time right now from when The Rescuers were cancelled. They'll likely put it up for preorder 3 months from now, maybe 4, and I would guess we'll know if it failed or not a month or so after that. That is, of course, assuming the initial wave moves into production. Always possible Super7 plays some games here and if Wave One sales are soft delays a cancellation announcement on it until after they see what the reception is for Wave Two, especially if it's designed around reusing tools created for the first wave. Nothing is guaranteed, and I would still tell anyone who wants a complete collection of D&D figures to order from anyone other than Super7 so you can cancel if need be. If Simpsons is sort of the model here, you may only be in for one wave by the time the line is put on ice with 3 additional waves outstanding that can be dumped before payment is needed.
I don't disagree here, really. What I meant by a year wait before knowing if wave two would happen is that this line likely isn't going to be the constant flow like ThunderCats or TMNT. I'm guessing this one will be treated more like the music/wrestling figures, or Toxie, or Conan. So they might not even solicit another wave until the first wave is on a boat or even after it's in hand. And if we're only seeing renders, then the first wave is a long way off still. Then they'll (all in theory here) reveal and solicit a second wave for a while. And then cancel it. So potentially a year before you even can know for sure (or almost sure) that a second wave is coming.
To say nothing of the third, fourth, and probably fifth wave you'll need before you get an entire main cast.
Totally agree about ordering from someone other than S7 directly. Although I'd still generally just advise avoiding any new S7 lines at this point since they've proven time and again that Brian feels no compulsion whatsoever to put the effort in and make a line work. He belligerently plows through customers desperately telling him what they want and complains when HIS ideas don't sell. Which is probably what will happen here. If you're not perfectly content with a very incomplete collection.. I'd just steer clear entirely; pretend these don't exist at all and probably live a happier life for it.
He tries is funny or or posts replies opposite of what others do just to get reactions out of people.
You typed 'or' 2 times. Other members were saying the same thing. You may wanna read the room before hand.
I scrolled past most of the negativity, but I will say that I think the reaction to the Disney cancelation is way overblown. Compared to the ongoing success of Turtles, Cats and Hawks, losing both lines from a single licensor is not a show stopper to me.
Yeah it was weird that the Simpsons never had the basic family and the Disney line was spread too thin, but I'm willing to bet that was Disney interference. Every other S7 line always included main characters along with fan-favorite deep cuts. That seems to be the standard Super7 model.
I can't swear there are enough fans to support a D&D line to start with, but if there's enough to get the first wave made, I feel good that we'll eventually see all six kids plus all the side characters that come with those waves.
Totally agree about ordering from someone other than S7 directly. Although I'd still generally just advise avoiding any new S7 lines at this point since they've proven time and again that Brian feels no compulsion whatsoever to put the effort in and make a line work. He belligerently plows through customers desperately telling him what they want and complains when HIS ideas don't sell. Which is probably what will happen here. If you're not perfectly content with a very incomplete collection.. I'd just steer clear entirely; pretend these don't exist at all and probably live a happier life for it.
There we're in agreement. I guess if someone is really excited about this line then I can understand placing a preorder somewhere since it is a factor in the figure seeing the light of day. This is a company that doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Thankfully, BBTS has a good return policy if they turn out like absolute dog shit.
@fletch it was a little more than that. Brian was clear however long ago it was with both Disney and Simpsons that they were taking a different approach to the character selection than usual which I think time has proven was the wrong approach. Turtles and Thundercats are the exception right now. Brian has already said that orders for the last Silverhawks wave were pretty soft so he's laid the ground work for that line not going much farther (if you're someone hoping for a full roster of vac-metal 'hawks then you may want to adjust expectations). The other Hasbro properties aren't exactly flourishing either which might be the easiest comparison to D&D, though D&D is a completely different animal when it comes to its relationship with toys vs GI Joe and Transformers. I very much doubt that Disney was demanding Super7 make Tatum and Hyacinth Hippo. That was likely all Super7 and Disney went along with it until they felt it didn't make sense for them. If you want to feel optimistic about D&D though, then by all means feel optimistic. None of us has a working crystal ball. If the product is made, those who like Super7 figures will probably be fine with the finished product. The words of warning are mostly for those who have experience with Super7 cautioning those who do not on what to expect going forward.
Honestly, while I totally get all the complaints, gripes and criticisms about Super7 their business model, their choices, etc... none of that much matters to me.
I haven't particularly cared about their Disney or Simpsons lines, nor their Animaniacs or Sponge Bob or any of that. Frankly, while objectively the failure of those lines probably isn't great for Super7, if those issues don't close the company then they could turn out to work in my favor. It may force Brian and Super7 to lean in to what has been working.
The only Ultimates I buy are those that I can reasonably display on my MOTUC wall - so far that's been Thundercats, Silverhawks, Conan and a couple of figures from The Worst. If the loss of the Disny license means he replaces it with, say, Blackstar I would be over the moon.
Right now my most wanted lines for Ultimates would be Blackstar, Tiger Sharks, Thundarr, Herculoids. All of that stuff meshes well with MOTU and Thundercats and pushes those same nostalgia buttons. If some of these other failures pushed Flynn and S7 to pursue those licenses I'd be perfectly happy.
As for the D&D stuff - again, I wish that instead of repeating the Toon line hot on the heels of Hasbro's fumble, I would have preferred their Ultimates product mimic their recent Reaction Offerings. That stuff I'm definitely into, this stuff probably not.
Brian was clear however long ago it was with both Disney and Simpsons that they were taking a different approach to the character selection than usual
I doubt I've seen every interview he's done, but this is the first I'd heard that. I accept your correction.
In his recent interview with Veebs, he talked about how he and Disney had different ideas about how the lines should proceed. I took that to mean there was licensor interference; it'd be hilarious if it was Disney yelling "just make Homer!!"
My prediction is these figures will get produced up to wave two with wave three announced, no complete roster, deep discounted, and then offloaded to Brazil since only they truly care about this cartoon.
Then they'll sit and rot since each figure will cost about a month's worth of food there.
I scrolled past most of the negativity, but I will say that I think the reaction to the Disney cancelation is way overblown. Compared to the ongoing success of Turtles, Cats and Hawks, losing both lines from a single licensor is not a show stopper to me.
I'm not sure how you can say the reaction is 'overblown' when you admit to not bothering to read what the people reacting were actually saying.
Also, it drastically mischaracterizes the situation to suggest Hawks is an 'ongoing success,' as Misfit pointed out, and also that only two lines have been cancelled given that cancelling or just quietly not making more of certain figures/lines has seemingly become as much a mainstay for the company as a new wave of Turtles.
Get excited about whatever figures you want. Most people on the 'negativity' side are mostly just cautioning that you don't allow that excitement to give you a deluded idea of what to expect going forward. S7 doesn't have a great track record. That absolutely deserves to be taken into account rather than brushed off. Especially when there's always the potential for this stuff to be seen by new collectors that don't know what kind of nonsense Super7 gets up to on the regular.
I'm not sure how you can say the reaction is 'overblown' when you admit to not bothering to read what the people reacting were actually saying.
Sometimes it's not about you.
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