Yeah, the scale of previous ST lines was just not consistent. Even the AA TOS figures don't scale with the DST TNG. This new line just consider itself a whole new starting point instead of filling in holes. I just hope sales of wave 1 are good enough for wave 2, which could theoretically start to get to main characters as well.
I agree with all the points everyone is raising here and in other forums and social media, this needs to be viewed as a starting over point. Nacelle will need to be smart about how they get the core characters out to us because there is little that makes yet another Kirk or Picard distinguishable from the many that have been done before to a casual customer seeing this in a store. The 6”-7” scale at least has the advantage over Playmates in that DST figures aren’t as easily and cheaply obtainable as those. People won’t be able to get similar figures on EBay for cheaper.
Excited to see Nacelle take this on and I love the enthusiasm for the project - but agree that some "anchors" are needed for these waves.
IMO - there probably should be a specific series/crew helping "anchor" the waves. I'd recommend retro VOYAGER to start, since they haven't been represented in the 6-7" scale before. Janeway and Seven of Nice are both hugely popular characters and many of the characters are still in the current TV rotation: Janeway and Chakotay are central to Prodigy; Seven was central on Picard; The Doctor will be on Starfleet Academy and even Kim will be featured on Lower Decks soon.
If each wave included 2 OG Voyager bridge characters to help anchor the waves...and the remaining 6 - 8 slots were filled with the other more niche characters that Nacelle is proposing - I think it'd help balance things a bit.
Separate thought: I'd much prefer to see some significant characters who are overlooked like Classic Trek's Chapel & Rand; TNG's Tasha Yar; DS9's Ezri Dax, etc...over some of the characters we're seeing so far. And I don't mean to kick a kick horse in the mouth - I absolutely LOVE that the creator wants to dig deep.
So I got to wonder, would original pilot Pike (Jeffery Hunter) be a deep dive character since Mounts Pike has way more screen time and has kinda become the "default" Pike?
IMO - there probably should be a specific series/crew helping "anchor" the waves. I'd recommend retro VOYAGER to start, since they haven't been represented in the 6-7" scale before. Janeway and Seven of Nice are both hugely popular characters and many of the characters are still in the current TV rotation: Janeway and Chakotay are central to Prodigy; Seven was central on Picard; The Doctor will be on Starfleet Academy and even Kim will be featured on Lower Decks soon.
If each wave included 2 OG Voyager bridge characters to help anchor the waves...and the remaining 6 - 8 slots were filled with the other more niche characters that Nacelle is proposing - I think it'd help balance things a bit.
I'm not sure I agree with Voyager characters being good "anchors" for the first few waves. Voyager is one of the less popular series overall. Sure, I'll give you Janeway and Seven of Nine being popular enough to be anchors, but I don't think any of the rest of the cast is strong enough to carry a wave like Spock, Kirk, Picard, Data, Riker, Worf, or even Sisko. Personally, I think they should do a really well known character like Kirk or Picard, coupled with a popular-with-hardcore fans entry (Chapel, Ro Laren, Odo), and then a couple of deep cuts for each wave. For a line like this to survive, it has to appeal to casual fans as well as devoted Trekkies.
I think that Nacelle should approach the Star Trek license like this. You have five series and ten movies to draw from. Sure the animated series counts as another series but animated versions of the main characters is a variation on a live-action character so I won’t count it twice ( Not saying I would not appreciate an Arex or M’ress figure!) If they tackle characters from the five tv series they would have roughly 15 starring actors and approximately 30 co-starring characters. Doing waves of 10 characters, it’s feasible that they could knock out a considerable number of mainstays in their most recognizable looks. Ideally they could have done all the series Captains in their most recognized uniform and still been able to do five nobody saw that coming characters!
This better be the first Picard.
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So I got to wonder, would original pilot Pike (Jeffery Hunter) be a deep dive character since Mounts Pike has way more screen time and has kinda become the "default" Pike?
Jeffrey Hunter Pike has been done by Playmates (in three scales), DST, Mego, and soon by EXO-6, so he probably doesn’t meet the Nacelle criteria.
2 more reveals about wave 2 in this new interview:
(1 is pending approval.)
So that’s 3 including the previously-known Shelby.
IMO - there probably should be a specific series/crew helping "anchor" the waves. I'd recommend retro VOYAGER to start, since they haven't been represented in the 6-7" scale before. Janeway and Seven of Nice are both hugely popular characters and many of the characters are still in the current TV rotation: Janeway and Chakotay are central to Prodigy; Seven was central on Picard; The Doctor will be on Starfleet Academy and even Kim will be featured on Lower Decks soon.
If each wave included 2 OG Voyager bridge characters to help anchor the waves...and the remaining 6 - 8 slots were filled with the other more niche characters that Nacelle is proposing - I think it'd help balance things a bit.
I'm not sure I agree with Voyager characters being good "anchors" for the first few waves. Voyager is one of the less popular series overall. Sure, I'll give you Janeway and Seven of Nine being popular enough to be anchors, but I don't think any of the rest of the cast is strong enough to carry a wave like Spock, Kirk, Picard, Data, Riker, Worf, or even Sisko. Personally, I think they should do a really well known character like Kirk or Picard, coupled with a popular-with-hardcore fans entry (Chapel, Ro Laren, Odo), and then a couple of deep cuts for each wave. For a line like this to survive, it has to appeal to casual fans as well as devoted Trekkies.
I think you're missing the point of Nacelle's vision for the line though. They don't want to do what you want them to do. They've announced that they're not doing the Kirks, Picards, Datas, etc. That's off the table.
Thats why I suggested Voyager - it's the only 90's/2000 era show that's still relevant (in terms of characters still airing on present day spinoffs), and doesn't have as much merch as the other (no 6/7" line as of yet). So it ticks their box of "not having been overdone". And the Bridge Crew of Voyager is still more likely to pull collectors than a random 1 episode character.
I think you're missing the point of Nacelle's vision for the line though. They don't want to do what you want them to do. They've announced that they're not doing the Kirks, Picards, Datas, etc. That's off the table.
I understand not wanting to do the same things over and over again, but at the end of the day, they gotta pay for all the tooling and I doubt that characters like tuvix and valkris will bring in enough money to balance the cost. If you want to be creative and bring fantastic designs to life? Do Mass Effect. If you do Star Trek; give people the main characters in their uniforms!
Sorry to interject, but are the Hiya 2009 Trek figures still happening? I got the cancellation emails from Amazon about Nero, Spock Prime, and Keenser today, saying they wouldn't be getting stock. This is months after they cancelled my Kirk, Spock, and Bones. I have them pre-ordered on BBTS as well, and they haven't cancelled yet, but it feels like there hasn't been much movement on these in a long while. I know they're still announcing new things, which is promising, but I'm surprised nothing has really shown up, other than a few Youtube reviews. Are they all gonna hit at once? It's looking more and more like that.
IMO - there probably should be a specific series/crew helping "anchor" the waves. I'd recommend retro VOYAGER to start, since they haven't been represented in the 6-7" scale before. Janeway and Seven of Nice are both hugely popular characters and many of the characters are still in the current TV rotation: Janeway and Chakotay are central to Prodigy; Seven was central on Picard; The Doctor will be on Starfleet Academy and even Kim will be featured on Lower Decks soon.
If each wave included 2 OG Voyager bridge characters to help anchor the waves...and the remaining 6 - 8 slots were filled with the other more niche characters that Nacelle is proposing - I think it'd help balance things a bit.
I'm not sure I agree with Voyager characters being good "anchors" for the first few waves. Voyager is one of the less popular series overall. Sure, I'll give you Janeway and Seven of Nine being popular enough to be anchors, but I don't think any of the rest of the cast is strong enough to carry a wave like Spock, Kirk, Picard, Data, Riker, Worf, or even Sisko. Personally, I think they should do a really well known character like Kirk or Picard, coupled with a popular-with-hardcore fans entry (Chapel, Ro Laren, Odo), and then a couple of deep cuts for each wave. For a line like this to survive, it has to appeal to casual fans as well as devoted Trekkies.
I think you're missing the point of Nacelle's vision for the line though. They don't want to do what you want them to do. They've announced that they're not doing the Kirks, Picards, Datas, etc. That's off the table.
Thats why I suggested Voyager - it's the only 90's/2000 era show that's still relevant (in terms of characters still airing on present day spinoffs), and doesn't have as much merch as the other (no 6/7" line as of yet). So it ticks their box of "not having been overdone". And the Bridge Crew of Voyager is still more likely to pull collectors than a random 1 episode character.
I understand completely that's what Nacelle wants to do, but I think it's a huge mistake, and including anchor characters shouldn't be "off the table". Filling it with only characters that haven't been done before, specifically to tie into a line that is 20 years old and (in many cases) hard to find, is going to kill this quicker than anything. My point is that the Voyager characters aren't a good substitute for heavy hitters like Kirk, Spock, Picard, etc., and that isn't going to gain them much in the way of new collectors. I'm happy they want to do deep-cut characters, but I see it as a losing strategy to ONLY do those. You have to find a way to attract those folks who might be new to collecting, or who simply missed out 20 years ago.
I have the original series crew from DST, and I'm perfectly happy if we get characters like Chapel and Rand to round them out, but there are MANY who don't have any of these characters at all, and they aren't likely to start if they can't get core members of the crew. Yes, Seven of Nine could work as an anchor for a wave IF the line had been going for at least a few waves and had gotten some of the bigger names in there.
Perhaps they could temper their expectations with some niche looks of the main characters.
@joshsquash729 I’m very much looking forward to these, especially the 1/12 line. As they just announced Scotty I don’t think the line is dead, just very delayed. The first three 1/18 (Kirk, Spock, Bones) are all available on Hiya’s website but shipping is expensive to the US.
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