Apparently Mandalorian season 4 is definitely not happening now.
@panthercult We knew about the movie but there were conflicting statements from the powers that be whether it was replacing the fourth season, or if it was acting at the finale for the fourth season, or if the fourth season would act as the ending for the movie, or what. I think Favreau himself even has said a few different things since the movie was announced.
Honestly, not upset about a lack of Mandalorian S4 - the show was pretty much perfect for 2 seasons and had an all-time great ending I felt. S3 was a mixed bag in that it was a good look into the New Republic and Mandalore but not a great show for the title character.
Pretty sure we will hear in the future how the plans for the D+ shows and culminating film got all messed up with Pascal wanting out of the show (in terms of being on set - I am guessing he forced their hand and for a while they thought he might not come back at all), the pandemic causing delays and the firing of Gina Carano killing the Rangers of the New Republic series.
Looking at the way they were setting things up, having three shows feed into this culminating movie made sense - one from the Mando perspective of rebuilding their home and fitting into the NR, one from the New Republic perspective with the Rangers and dealing with those who want the Empire back, and one from the Jedi/Rebels perspective with Ahsoka and whatever Luke is up to. With Thrawn as the final boss that they all combine to take down. Instead, they have had to merge two threads together (Mando and Rangers) to get to the end...
The issues with Pascal and Carano I think resulted in:
1 - Pushing scenes meant for Mando S3 to Book of Boba Fett, and forcing into the show the reunion of Grogu and Mando, in case Mando S3 wasn't going to happen. I suspect Mando was supposed to appear solo and out of the blue, more like an extended cameo, than having his own storyline in the middle of the show (him looking for the other Mandos and getting his new ship), with Grogu/Luke not being mentioned at all.
1a - Returning Grogu to the fold faster - it would make sense if the original intention for Mando S3 was to be without Grogu for longer (leaving Mando solo to focus on the Mandalorians that we saw on Glavis, the Darksaber and Bo Kataan stuff), saving their reunion for later in the season - but Grogu's popularity changed plans.
2 - Repurposing some of the plots/story beats from Rangers of the New Republic into Mando S3 - the whole episode on Coruscant was interesting but really had almost no impact on the main show. And now it sounds like the Mando movie is going in the Rangers direction with Mando working for or with the NR.
Man, imagine if Mando season 3 and BOBF didn't even happen, and the major plot points of all that were used for a movie instead? Luke's training, Boba's takeover, Din's assistance, Bo Katan's.... what have you. (I still haven't finished season 3.)
And also, I believe... but again, things aren't totally clear to me (and they change their plans often anymore anyway) there's the other movie set in this era that's a culmination of all the shows set in this period. So Din, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, and the Skeleton Crew Avengers movie heh.
That was what I was alluding to - they have announced (for now) the final movie to wrap up this time period and presumably it is about Thrawn facing off against a combined Ahsoka/Rebels, Din/Mandalorians, and originally Clara/New Republic Rangers. It would be like the Avengers from these shows, everything locking together.
Which is why I think things got messed up when they lost the Rangers show as one of the three legs but had plot points they needed to get in somewhere.
I wish someone would edit BoBF into a no flashback version and remove the extra Din and Grogu diversions (hard to totally remove Grogu given the ending with the Rancor, but probabky could do it) and see how it worked as maybe three 50 minute episodes.
@fac I saw a fan edit where they split it into basically two movies. One was all the flashback stuff and incorporated some scenes from Mandalorian too (like Boba getting his armor back etc), and the other was all the present day stuff of Boba walking across town to ask people who did the thing and being told no it was that other guy then crossing town to ask them etc. it uh... Was still not great. But I do think you could remove the entire 'rancor flips out on the city' sequence then lose Grogu entirely pretty easily. Just have him save the town, defeat Cad, then share a laugh in the middle of town with Krrsantan and the gang.
That's too bad an edit like that didn't help things as I admit I felt like it would have made for two good "specials" that were spaced a year apart. Which is what I think D+ should do more often, as they did with Werewolf by Night and the GotG Christmas special for Marvel, check in with some characters for a story and not make it a series.
All of these rumors that Pedro wanting out doomed the show - Pedro is like 5% of the show's success. He's reaped 100% of the benefits, but if he wanted out, so what? He's not on set, his voice could be done by someone else, he's not supposed to take his helmet off - so what?
I really don't think he's important enough to have potentially changed any plans.
What I conjecture is that the Mando episodes of BOBF were what was approved and filming before Favreau and team threw a curveball at everyone with the tag of BOBF at the end of Mando S2 - and immediately changed Mando S3 into BOBF. And then everyone was just kinda stuck with it.
It makes no sense on a studio-level, but it makes total sense when you look at Favreau doing only what he wants and not what's best for anyone/thing else. And yet, that's what crew members have said happened.
That's too bad an edit like that didn't help things as I admit I felt like it would have made for two good "specials" that were spaced a year apart. Which is what I think D+ should do more often, as they did with Werewolf by Night and the GotG Christmas special for Marvel, check in with some characters for a story and not make it a series.
I agree, a couple of specials would have worked really well and forced them to be less meandering. I also still feel like something called "Book" could have told more story over his life. I kept waiting for the several times they used the shot of young Boba running to the window to lead to something, but having Daniel Logan playing Boba in a third era set before ANH could have AT LEAST filled in who the hell Cad Bane was.
But again, BOBF is the Star Wars version of Falcon and Winter Soldier, where you can completely skip it and the title characters are exactly where you expected them to be based on their last appearance (Mandalorian season 2 post credit scene, and Avengers Endgame for Sam & Bucky). I really hope to be less salty about BOBF one day.
@schizm Right, some of the cast also were told they were filming season 3 then found out it was now a Boba Fett show instead.
Another option I wish they'd considered more was having season three be The Mandalorians, or something like that, and it follows Din, Bo Katan, and Boba Fett's journeys simultaneously. The reunion with Grogu could have been pushed further back, Din could have had some business with the Armorer, then Boba, then finally Bo, and it would have been 8 really SOLID episodes between those plots. I do agree they shouldn't have panicked about Pedro so badly, but they knew shutdowns were pending and rushed BOBF out with Rodriguez, who ... however you feel about his skills, is definitely the director you want if you wanna shoot a bunch of stuff quickly. They beat the shutdown deadline at least.
Ahsoka and Mando Season 3 announced for Bluray - out Dec 31, pre-order next week.
Not sure I am going to get these given I was fairly "meh" about both seasons, nevertheless I find the skipping of Book of Boba Fett frustrating given it leads into both of these shows and is pretty important to the Din/Grogu story in particular.
Disney probably cares about as much as most of the viewers anymore.
Saw that the Rey standalone is being pushed back, and Andor Season 2 is looking like spring or summer 2025, which I think we knew.
Andor might be the only Star Wars I am actually looking forward to at this point.
Rey's character (generally) and portrayal is one of the semi-acceptable parts of the ST, although if it is about how she restarts the Jedi Order and "succeeds" where Luke "failed" I reserve the right to rant about further burying Luke's legacy.
Next up is Skeleton Crew which, given it is being described as The Goonies meets Star Wars, and showed Star Wars suburbia, makes it the first Star Wars property in just about forever* that I am feeling a desire to avoid. Not sure what it will be like to expect nothing good while watching new Star Wars - I suppose all it can do is surprise me in a positive way.
*Truth be told, I went into The Rise of Skywalker trying to pretend to my inner self that I had hope it might not be a disaster, but really knew better.
I am all in on Skeleton Crew! Fun story in Star Wars universe. Looks like it is going to ride along the same beats as Goonies and hunting ancient treasure and mysterious guides. The kids being transported from suburbia to this other world is very Goonies. I love Goonies. This show just looks fun.
Thwipp!
I mean... why wouldn't there be some form or iteration of "suburbia" in an intergalactic federation or empire? We have seen the fringes, the hard scrabble planets where life is a struggle and we've seen the capital where the elites play politics and the poor scrabble in the substrata and what not. We've seen lots and lots of the "Wars" part of Star Wars.
But even in times of war there are places mostly unaffected where the war is mostly abstract - and during times of relative peace - those "suburban" enclaves are probably fairly insular and self satisfied. I suppose the closest to that we saw thus far ii Star Wars was on the Jack Black episode of the Mandalorian.
Anyway - its not that hard to imagine a planet that's close enough to what's going on to be financially prosperous but far enough from what's going on to not be in the midst of constant political strife and conflict. A place stable enough that the crime cartels are kept at bay or strictly controlled and low key. Where kids hear about what goes on out in the galaxy and develop grand ideas about the adventures they could have. Some get bored enough to seek out such an adventure.
That's entirely normative. It would be weird for that kind of story NOT to exist, honestly. Before "The Goonies" there was the likes of The Hardy Boys and before that there was Tom Sawyer - these stories exist anywhere stable societies exist. So let's see how well this one's told.
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