But obviously - the shows biggest mistake was not knowing what it's best parts were. Jecki, Kelnacca and Qimir - that was the show. Carrie Ann Moss too. They killed off the best bits early
This; exactly this. They didn't see what was working and what wasn't.
The Jedi believing themselves to be nearly perfect and proven to be deeply flawed has been the story all along to varying degrees. I mean the very first film tells us the guy who just murdered billions is a fallen Jedi. Clearly the order did something wrong from the get go of Star Wars storytelling.
I may be the only person who feels Jecki was used perfectly on the show. It was a gut punch because they got us to like her. Killing not-Plo Koon, or one of the other nameless ones was never going to be enough. I totally got what they were doing and appreciated that they went there. She was Ned Stark, or... whoever the hell was a shocking death on Walking Dead. I'm not sure, I couldn't sit through too many of those after a while.
Damn Fwoosh refresh…
This is forcing me to post simple posts like Discord. I dislike Discord.
I have found the stories of the Jedi in general to be much less than the way I saw them as a kid. Police force? Forced religion on the populace to keep order? Warriors? Jedi have not gotten any stories of consequence outside opposers of the Sith. That’s it? I guess meddlers and stealers of children per Acolyte.
Thwipp!
Yeah, the fever dream thing isn't happening.
That was meant tongue in cheek. I know that's not going to happen, but one can dream. 😉
I may be the only person who feels Jecki was used perfectly on the show. It was a gut punch because they got us to like her. Killing not-Plo Koon, or one of the other nameless ones was never going to be enough. I totally got what they were doing and appreciated that they went there. She was Ned Stark, or... whoever the hell was a shocking death on Walking Dead. I'm not sure, I couldn't sit through too many of those after a while.
I agree with this. Jecki was my favorite because her thoughts as dreams of what the Jedi are made her a darling character you root for. Her going out like that sucked and it pissed me off, but that just means her aspect of the story was very well done. I may actually still get her figure, as she still embodied what Jedi are supposed to be.
@fletch I get what you're saying, but I assume the idea is they watched the episodes before release, or executives screened them at least, but no notes were given on what was working or not.
But I really think 'what was working or not' is going to be a different answer depending on who you ask. At best, the show was clumsy but enjoyable. At worst, it was a horrible abomination that sprayed everything we hold dear about Star Wars with every imaginable body fluid. I'd imagine most people fell in the middle somewhere, but I honestly don't know. I wish I had the ability to claim "everyone feels the same as me" or what have you. But I'm content with feeling it was clumsy and enjoyable.
Temuera Morrison says he was going to be in the fourth season of Mandalorian but won't be in the movie, making it sound like the movie is happening instead of the season.
Disney canceling Acolyte outright seems very strange. It could just be put in purgatory with so many of their announced projects - after all, they only need to bring back three actors, and one of them is the partner of the show runner. I'm surprised they didn't just let it fade out and mumble its fate later. I wonder what made them think this announcement was a good strategy.
Personally, I liked a lot of the show and disliked a lot of it, which is kind of one of the most frustrating places to be in, because like BoBF or Kenobi, I can see how they could have just tweaked a few things in the writing room and made a much more solid end product. All the pieces are there in The Acolyte. But what if Sol killed Mae at the end in a scene reminiscent of his killing of Mother Aniseya - and that is what triggers Osha's turning? Maybe she instinctually force pushes him off of a cliff. It just needs more ooomf and inevitability.
I was really intrigued for Season 2 - especially if it primarily focused on Qimir & Plaguies. I hope we get that story wrapped up somewhere else.
Nah
Plagueis came out of the cave and cut Qimir into pieces with his lightsaber. Then he strangled Osha to death like she did Sol. The end.
Yoda was just drunk all this time.
The solution to the Jecki issue is you keep the space cops padawan from episode 1 around in episodes 2-4. A side story in those episodes is her and Jecki, young padawans, on their first real mission. Then Darth Arms smokes the space cop and his padawan. He injures Jecki and would have killed her except for Sol. Then do what others say. Have Sol kill Mae and leave Jecki to contend with what the Jedi say they are vs what they actually are. At the same time she still has to contend with all these Sith. Give the audience some reason to WANT to see a season 2 plus a conduit to explore the themes the show is engaging. Not even to mention that Dafne Keen is a magnetic performer in a way most these other people are … not.
I still think that padawan's death wouldn't have hit as hard as Jecki's. Plus, no one who was an eye witness for Qimir could survive.
Plus, we don't know what the deal was. Maybe Keen signed on ONLY if she was limited to a few episodes. I imagine that would be common for people who have to spend so much time in the makeup chair before even shooting scenes.
That's my point; you spend 2 minutes each episode in E2-4 making the 2 padawans' relationship of interest. Jecki's death hit hard for .... what exactly? It was a cheap thrill. Boromir's death in GOT at least flipped the entire narrative on end. The death needs to be meaningful for some character in the show too. Not only that even the secondary characters who were sort of interesting are all dead. Who exactly does the audience want to see more of? Darth Arms is the closest thing but lets be honest; the physicality of his performance was good; the rest was pretty shakey at times. Mae / Osha? I mean I don't blame the actor; but none of that worked. Creating 2 very similar but separate characters isn't prob in the ability range of most 24 year olds. The otter? The iPad? I mean the show thinks it subverted expectations of the audience by switching its allegiance from Osha to Mae. That's a bit of a delusion.
Boromir's death in GOT
AH! Mixing franchises!!!
Anyway, you're right about the twins, especially since some of us saw Osha as the title character all along.
Well, Jecki's death shocked the audience but also hit hard for Sol. His recklessness was always a fault, but he flirted with some dark side stuff more and more as well. That moment wiped away any control he had of his emotions. Maybe only temporarily but it was clear his emotions drove him a lot more than he admitted to. His padawan was dead and her killer treated her like a thing.
Either way, I get your argument and you really want Jecki to live, but if we elevate the other padawan might we also cling to her and hope for a third character to be killed instead? I feel it was so effective because everyone was killed except Sol.
I'm mostly saying if I'm a producer I want Dafne Keen in my show b/c I want people to watch.
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