I came to post this, too. I'm so happy! I hope they can make it someone's fever dream or just say it's not canon. Hell, it's not for me.
I don't get why you're happy about it though. Just... don't watch. There are plenty of shows that aren't for me and I divert my attention elsewhere. it's like how many people in my social circle who love House of the Dragon. I tried it, wasn't for me, and I moved on. If it ends early, I will feel no need to celebrate that, especially to anyone that liked it.
I came to post this, too. I'm so happy! I hope they can make it someone's fever dream or just say it's not canon. Hell, it's not for me.
I don't get why you're happy about it though. Just... don't watch. There are plenty of shows that aren't for me and I divert my attention elsewhere. it's like how many people in my social circle who love House of the Dragon. I tried it, wasn't for me, and I moved on. If it ends early, I will feel no need to celebrate that, especially to anyone that liked it.
I don't think I've ever been happy to see a show canceled, but that's how much I hated this series. To me, the writers pissed on everything the Jedi are supposed to stand for. Lying to cover their ass. Hell, framing a fellow Jedi for murder to hide their mistakes. Yoda ends up in on the lie? W.T.F!? These are all SITH things, not Jedi things. So no, I'm happy this series is dead. It needs to be wiped from canon/existence imo.
@ru1977 Don't know if you mean it suck that they did that or that I hate it that much, but yeah, this series was my most hated Star Wars cinema/TV thing ever made. It does tell me how much I'm still invested in the franchise, though. I want great series and movies to continue.
Yeah, I admit you are WAY more passionate about this show than I am. I found it to be a bummer the show isn't continuing, but it really affected you that it exists at all.
Thinking it through, I think the only disappointment I feel for Acolyte is that they used up the really cool gimmick of the cortosis on a prequel. It really livened up lightsabre fights which had kind of lost their freshness.
It was an absolute game change that actually happened 100 years ago and was just kind of forgotten about. If they'd added cortosis into, say, Ahsoka, it'd be a whole new ball game and set a new tone for all future movies.
I mean, I guess they still could. It's fiction. But you know what I mean.
So, here's what I'm hoping actually happens... I hope that the cancelation of The Acolyte is not - as TFitz hopes an abandonment of the characters, stories or ideas as if it were all a fever dream - but a pause to re-work the ideas into a stronger framework to move things forward.
I obviously had my issues with show as well - but on the whole I liked more of it than I didn't - and I really liked the idea of stories set outside of skywalker family sphere of influence.
So, I would love for a different creator to be able to pick up the crumbs of this show to move forward.
Have Yoda work out that Vernestra has actually fallen from the path. Explain how Sol and Vernestra's choices are a source of infection in the Jedi order that needs to be identified and excised.
It can pick up after the Jedi have dealt with Vernestra if they want - and are working on solving the problem of Qimir on their own. You can easily prune the stuff that didn't work and salvage the stuff that did. There are still interesting stories to tell.
But obviously - the shows biggest mistake was not knowing what it's best parts were. Jecki, Kelnacca and Qimir - that was the show. Carrie Ann Moss too. They killed off the best bits early
Yeah, the fever dream thing isn't happening. They didn't give in to that for Rise of Skywalker, they aren't now either. I would like if some of these pieces are picked up somewhere, on screen, but I'd also like a follow-up for Solo in some form. Lando show, Lando movie, Solo 2, whatever.
A flawed show that had some good moments and might have gone somewhere interesting if given a chance...
It was given more than a chance - it was given eight episodes and $180 million to go somewhere interesting and they chose to waste their screen time and not tell a full story. This cancellation is more than deserved.
But saying something nice: I think the look of this show was great, and the character designs were mostly appealing. The crew, as usual, did interesting and thoughtful work.
I really think the overall Disney+ model needs to change - shows need to be either limited series OR intended to run multiple seasons *from the start*. I thought Acolyte was a one-off - no idea another season was even a possibility until this season had started and the creator was doing her best to plug holes in the leaky ship she built. Didn't know Ahsoka was designed for a S2.
A limited series has different needs than an ongoing series and D+ really needs to accept and embrace that. Returning series don't need the GIANT gaps between seasons - and for franchise shows like Marvel and SW, they need to commit to the needs of the story and just go. Harry Potter popped the way it did in part because they had faith in the film property and kept the momentum going with Chamber already in production. But I need them to communicate to the audience what it is they are asking me to give time to - am I getting a full story, or is this intended to go longer? It's a very important distinction. And before anyone says it, if a story or character pops in a limited series, it can always be revisited in success - like Agatha. But not telling a complete story over the commissioned episodes should never be the plan.
Well... and especially with a first season. If I were a showrunner, I'd go more with telling a complete story with one nugget, likely an epilogue, teasing what's to come. That would feel satisfying, I'd think, whether it continues or doesn't. it's also, now that I think about it, the format Iron Man set up in 2008. But that's how I approach the endings of the books in my series.
And really, Solo had that too. I didn't feel like I needed anything else after that since a lot was inferred, except that damned Maul plot. Maybe Maul should be the next cartoon. Just not The Book of Maul, unless it's actually delving into his entire life and not a couple parts of it.
I liked the show, and it's a shame it won't be continuing. I didn't see it as not telling a complete story, because it told enough of a story to set up a continuation, which is the point of these series to begin with, at least in theory. I don't assume anything is just a one-shot series, because Disney. I didn't watch the end of the episode and assume "well, we're done here."
I also didn't see it pissing on the Jedi, instead showing that these specific Jedi were less than perfect. And we've seen that all along--that the Jedi as a "police force" aren't infallible. If this had been a story of perfect Jedi morality then it wouldn't have been a story at all.
But it's not like there isn't enough nonstop content to watch anyway.
I liked the show, and it's a shame it won't be continuing. I didn't see it as not telling a complete story, because it told enough of a story to set up a continuation, which is the point of these series to begin with, at least in theory. I don't assume anything is just a one-shot series, because Disney. I didn't watch the end of the episode and assume "well, we're done here."
True. I was okay with what they told, but do hope to get a better idea of how Qimir relates to the Sith. Plagueis was there, but in what capacity? I don't even really care all that much about Qimir's relationship with Vern as they hinted enough that I'm okay not seeing it spelled out. But the line of the Sith from Bane to Sidious is really intriguing, especially if Qimir is an offshoot.
I also didn't see it pissing on the Jedi, instead showing that these specific Jedi were less than perfect. And we've seen that all along--that the Jedi as a "police force" aren't infallible. If this had been a story of perfect Jedi morality then it wouldn't have been a story at all.
Exactly. And we have no idea what Vern told Yoda after that scene, nor his reaction to it. And I think we went over it earlier in this very thread, but the prequels definitely set the Jedi up as imperfect, with even Yoda calling out the trend of arrogance in the Order. Clone Wars gave plenty of instances of this as well. The Jedi Order was meant to fall, and the Sith were meant to go as well, giving way to a balance with something new, in my eyes, in the form of Luke Skywalker.
So, I would love for a different creator to be able to pick up the crumbs of this show to move forward.
Agreed.
I really think the overall Disney+ model needs to change - shows need to be either limited series OR intended to run multiple seasons *from the start*.
I really don't understand why Disney is so comfortable abandoning some of these Star Wars shows and films mid story - it is in theory one of their premiere properties, so overtly laying the groundwork for the future and then not following through seems odd to me - I mean they could wrap up all the threads they started in the Acolyte in probably a 60 minute episode - Yoda et all go after Qmir, maybe Plagueis is involved for a bit, we sort out the situation with Mae and Osha.
...but the prequels definitely set the Jedi up as imperfect, with even Yoda calling out the trend of arrogance in the Order. Clone Wars gave plenty of instances of this as well. The Jedi Order was meant to fall...
I expect nothing less from a rabid anti-Jedite.
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