I dunno... some of you guys hate the show but are obsessing over every quote and interview. It's a fierce smell of dark side there...
Acknowledging that Sidious and his apprentice's were evil, do we know all Sith were? Like I was ready for Jedi who aren't impeccable heroes, I could take some Sith who aren't entirely evil. Maybe Qimir and Osha will be cast out for not being evil enough.
I'm also still not entirely in the camp that all force-users other than Jedi are automatically evil. but like I said before, I saw Luke at the end of ROTJ as someone who embraced the good parts of both sides. He achieved balance of the Force, that thing the Jedi thought they wanted but didn't realize they were entirely in the way of.
And I didn't cheer for Osha, but like Torbin, Sol surrendered to his fate, hoping for atonement.
I dunno... some of you guys hate the show but are obsessing over every quote and interview. It's a fierce smell of dark side there...
And you're fanboy-defending shit. Take a sniff before calling anyone else out because they have a different take than you.
In my trying to make sense of this awful show, I did a little digging and all I come up with is more confusion. It's not obsession, it's information and context - something the show utterly failed to provide, and I'm trying to contribute to the conversation by sharing.
Eh, I'm done defending anything and just enjoying discussing it. Really kinda beyond the "is it good or bad" argument, but also more poking fun than trying to strike nerves. but... your hate gives you focus! 😆
Holy shit, Qimir was Jason! I knew he looked familiar but playing such a different character I never tied him to The Good Place. Damn he's a good actor. Thanks for tying that together for me.
So what exactly was Sol trying to explain about them? They're not just clones they're clones of Aniseya herself, right? This takes place before the Kaminoans perfect cloning and forced-growth, which is why they (and presumably Anakin) had to be conceived and gestated in a womb, right? It's been 25years and we still can't get an explanation of WHY any of them are doing this stuff, tho. Give me a damned *motive* already and just admit it's all about Sith wanting to body-hop into ever-more Force-powerful bodies instead of not giving us anything whatsoever. It's literally the only thing that makes any sense given what we've been given since TPM and it's the thing that explains EVERYTHING that happens in this galaxy.
People are allowed to dislike this show. And most do. Move on if that upsets you. I do.
@kvhulk thanks for your permission! Doesn't upset me in the slightest, just really bizarre to me. But I'm pretty sure I've never said people aren't allowed to dislike it nor discuss their feelings on it. I guess I'm in the minority of preferring to not focus on negativity. If that upsets you, feel free to move on as well. 😀
Acknowledging that Sidious and his apprentice's were evil, do we know all Sith were?
Yes. Sith are evil, like a cancer that throws the body out of balance. The Darkside is complete selfishness. Trying to possess people and acting in only your own interest, not caring about others, only about yourself.
"So the idea of temptation is one of the things we struggle against, and the temptation obviously is the temptation to go to the dark side. One of the themes throughout the films is that the Sith lords, when they started out thousands of years ago, embraced the dark side.
They were greedy and self-centered and they all wanted to take over, so they killed each other. Eventually, there was only one left, and that one took on an apprentice. And for thousands of years, the master would teach the apprentice, the master would die, the apprentice would then teach another apprentice, become the master, and so on.
But there could never be any more than two of them, because if there were, they would try to get rid of the leader, which is exactly what Vader was trying to do, and that's exactly what the Emperor was trying to do. The Emperor was trying to get rid of Vader, and Vader was trying to get rid of the Emperor.
And that is the antithesis of a symbiotic relationship, in which if you do that, you become cancer, and you eventually kill the host, and everything dies." -George Lucas, TIME magazine, April 26, 1999.
As for Qimir and Osha...they are just a "Twilight couple". It makes no sense for her to join him, she does it because it's in the script. Any sane person in her position wouldn't do it, because of what happened earlier in the show. She may not kill him, but she shouldn't join him. Her character arc doesn't work. Especially when you compare it to someone like Andor, who turns into a real Rebel in the end of the season and his journey makes total sense.
Qimir doesn't really have a character. He is just a "Sexy Evil Sith Lord Boyfriend". Shame, both him and Sol are really good actors.
Thank you for the quote!
So, something I am hoping we will see explored in a season 2 is that Qimir is not in fact a Sith at all. He broke from the Jedi training - and delved into the dark side, but I think on his own and not at the hand of a Sith master. His desire for an acolyte is based on the Jedi/Padawan set up rather than the Sith/Apprentice dynamic specifically, I hope. I think that would be more interesting than a turn directly toward the Sith.
I believe Darth Plagueis is maybe keeping tabs precisely because these disruptions in the status quo of the force are of interest - not necessarily because there is an existing relationship with any of the players.
I could obviously be off base about that. But for now I want to believe it.
I feel like there was a lot of story left on the table, as yet untold - which is either a high level of confidence that there will be another season(s), or a foolish risk that large chunks of your narrative never get told.
I do hope there is some mild course correction or tightening up of the storytelling in season 2 - but I'll admit I am interested to see what's next. Vernestra's lie and cover up about Indara and Sol's lie and cover up is building a dangerous house of cards
@panthercult Right, Plagueis's presence there doesn't necessarily mean what we assume it does. He could be there to scope out competition, or maybe he's secretly cultivating his own private dark side army to help overthrow his master, and it turns into the Knights of Ren or something else entirely. Maybe Qimir will eventually be defeated by a young, well spoken guy from Naboo.
How did y'all figure out that was Plagueis? Has he been shown somewhere before?
@fletch That's a good question since I'm not even sure what is canon anymore and what is legends, but there's a Plagueis book isn't there? I think that's canon*, but also pretty sure they specify he is Muun in that.
Headland definitely set out to work some legends/eu stuff into her show though.
*EDIT: It isn't.
How did y'all figure out that was Plagueis? Has he been shown somewhere before?
Oh, that's just me believing it because it's plastered all over the internet everywhere. I'd be happy to have that be wrong.
Nevermind, that book is no longer canon.
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