Hell the girls that played young Osha and young Mae were better.
Definitely agree there, they were quite good child actors. I just don't think the story served the adult versions very well. Sometimes it even felt like the show forgot who the main character was. I'm also not that familiar with the actors of the characters I called out so I don't want to judge them on one role.
I agree Aleks.
Just so I understand Palpatine is older than he appears in Episode One. That makes me think Smilo Ren either splinters off or meets an untimely demise. Palpatine acts. Osha will be another speed bump to his rise in power. Hell Plageius is another obstacle. Palpatine will remove them all.
I did read the Forbes article and do not necessarily believe this story is setting up Palpatine creating Anakin like the girls were created from the virgance. That may be a bit of a stretch. But it was always odd for sure. I also did think when I was younger the Clone Wars was example of the Emperor controlling the galaxy by artificial means. I also did think Anakin was made for a purpose. Maybe it will turn out to be dual purpose thus being a balance.
I do agree with Forbes article that the only characters who seemed to give were killed by Smilo Ren. It was as good to see Sol adapt to his helmet advantage in the rematch. Turning the saber off before it shorts out was clever. He’s still a jerk and a creep. And is it the director who had Osha look like she was staring at a bowl of steamed rice as she chocked the life out of him? I mean she raged a little when she threatened Qimir with his own light saber. Maybe they wanted the effect that Vader’s mask gave off as it didn’t emote either.
Thwipp!
At least season 2 has the promises of further adventures of the Otter and the iPad. Maybe they can go to Dafne Keen's grave to grieve together in one of the episodes.
I think we need to slow our roll on the child actors part. They were pretty awful.
Oh look guys! It's Darth Plagueis! And Yoda! And Ki-Adi-Mundi! I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW THEM! Somehow Darth Plagueis returns...or appears. Can't wait for Glup Shitto cameo...
This show have so many stupid characters, who made stupid decisions, just so the Jedi don't find out about the Sith. And even then, writers still failed. Osha and her "sister" are some of the worst characters in this show. Constantly changing their principles, behavior at the snap of a finger and it is not motivated by anything really. If they want me to feel some sympathy for them, they've absolutely failed. Disgusting people and characters who deserve worse than Anakin (and that dude killed some kids).
When Osha strangled Sol I just felt gross. For everything stupid he did during the season, he didn't deserve it. I realize it was hard for him to say “your mother turned into a scary smoke demon, I got scared for May, reacted quickly and stabbed the smoke with my saber”. But still...hey, at least Osha now has a "Sexy Sith Boyfriend." I also like, how she forgot he killed her Jedi friends. Yord who came back at her request and Jecki. Who cares about them lmao.
Oh, and I fucking hate Bazil. That stupid hamster is literally just him for no reason creating scenarios to delay things or change how things are going to veer around the things the writers don't want to happen. He'll break the ship, start showing kung fu or won't say anything.
What's the point of this show? To show that the Jedi aren't so good? Prequel trilogy already did this. Show another Anakin (Force Vergence) before Anakin? Why? Even there it was done better...
Some writers certainly are...
Ultimately the two things that I think hindered the show was -
1 - Having never seen the Jedi at the full height of their influence and not during wartime, I guess going right to a time when they messed up made it seem like they were overtly trying to undercut the "myth" of the Jedi as the good guys. We really never saw any of these guys do anything heroic at all - the idea of "The Thin Jedi Line" leading to missteps and coverups is an interesting one if we see them saving kittens from trees and giving candy to babies and doing amazing things first. But we pretty much jumped right to almost all of them being a mix of stubborn, misguided, whiny and political. This hurts with Sol in particular, who apart from saying over and over that he was just trying to help he never really explained why his worldview was that they needed help. His reasoning could have been terrible - she looked like a witch and we know how they are or all kids must become Jedi - but that he saw two kids playing for 10 minutes and decides they are in mortal danger was a leap the show didn't earn, especially as that leap was the lynchpin for the storyline and all the characters actions.
2 - Osha and Mae seem like pawns in a story to get to certain ideas more than the "lead" characters. Osha holding hands with Darth Bortles at the end while Mae has been left with the Jedi of her own volition was just a lot of character turns from where they started - which was I think supposed to be a few days ago at most. I agree with PantherCult, something was off with the acting, which I will blame on the direction for now. The Forbes review mentioned it but couldn't Osha at least seem off the rails angry that Sol lied to her and killed her Mom? She is far too much in control as she chokes him out.
I liked it enough and on paper it has some great ideas, but the execution was lacking in terms of getting from point a to b cleanly in the plot too many times for me to love it.
One last thing, I need to rewatch, but the Roshomon part didn't quite work because it was never really from the perspective of one character at a time was it. We needed only Osha's perspective, only Mae's perspective and then Sol's perspective. There was a little too much from that neither of them some saw or knew that we saw as an audience, so that undermined a bit that this was their perception of events...
I have forgotten when Master Vernestra learned the truth about what happened?
She'd demonstrated the ability to see past actions at the scene of the forest fight. Her shifting expressions at the mining site gave me the impression she was reading the history there as well.
Stuff like that is really gonna stand out more up on rewatch, when you have your questions kinda in mind.
I think the show discovered it's point too late in the story (or lost its point too early).
Like, I was really into the idea of Mae trying to become a Sith Acolyte by getting revenge on the Jedi who killed her family. Seeing the inner workings of that process was pretty interesting.
But they just kind of quit that story half way through, killed a couple main characters, and went off in a new direction about force babies. Also, I've never seen a more abrupt "we need to save continuity" mindwipe, and they did the same to C3P0. Mae was, like, 110% on board with forgetting about everything she'd wanted 30 minutes before.
Early on, when I was enjoying Mae's story, I wondered what was even the point of having twins. I confess I got a little forgetful about who we were watching from scene to scene after they'd exchanged clothes (right down to Mae now having and talking to her own PIP).
If it were up to me, the story would've just been about Osha who left her family to join the Jedi and then got kicked out of that. Years later she's contacted by another rejected apprentice who fans her resentment of the Jedi and slowly converts her into a Sith Acolyte. No Mae, no force babies. Just a straight path of Jedi eliteness coming back to bite their asses.
I'm still okay with Sol & Co. killing the witches over a misunderstanding, because that was kind of neat and gives Osha her motivation and list of targets. Instead of Osha discovering in episode 8 that Sol killed her mom, she instead learns that Qimir has only been giving her one side of the story and Sol has the chance to draw her back to the light with his version of events. Of course, confessing that he's the one who stabbed her mom (something Qimir hadn't even told her) is what cinches her decision.
Anyways, my point is there was a lot of good in this story that I enjoyed, but I think it got pushed aside by the things I didn't like.
@fletch heh, and I think stuff like that will also be better upon rewatch. Sometimes my preconceptions get in the way of enjoying what they always intended the story to be, so a second time is a far better experience.
@fletch That makes sense, she was hearing things from the past. Interesting.
Ultimately why I am more favorable than unfavorable towards the show, and will keep watching, is that there was a lot of good stuff as you said, even though the storytelling was more ambitious than they pulled off and I am no longer sure who or what I am rooting for...? Osha to not be a Sith, I guess? Some Jedi to not be a mess?
I missed some pieces as it went along. Like, I am still not sure exactly what happened with Qimir when Osha couldn't take his helmet off at the very start. I wonder if Qimir isn't himself being manipulated/controlled as his eyes went black like Torbin's did from the witches...
@fac great point about Qimir. I guess the helmet is supposed to help you tune out everything to really get Forced up, but if there's a hidden bug/feature they aren't aware of, that could be interesting.
I was telling a real life friend Qimir and presumably Plagueis could be sorta an echo of Snoke and Kylo. But maybe better this time.
I am still not sure exactly what happened with Qimir when Osha couldn't take his helmet off at the very start.
I got the impression that Osha was so powerful that her force unleashed (heh) was overpowering him. I think the view was alternating between the mindscape she was unintentionally drawing him into and the real world struggle to reach the helmet.
Weird lack of comment or follow-up on that, though.
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