Indara was a solid voice of reason throughout the episode. In the end, she likely saw a coverup as the lesser of evils since the damage was already done.
Also, this show hasn't said ALL Jedi are liars, murderers, and manipulators. It's simply focusing on a group who were and the repercussions of that. If you really believe the Jedi as a whole are good, then you definitely should be all for the bad ones getting punished.
I wish it were clearer why Sol killed the witch mother. On replay, I can see him thinking she was disintegrating who he thought was Osha, but maybe a line or even a more determined expression would've made it look like he at least had a reason. I really thought he'd been mind-controlled to do it.
On the other hand, I really liked Sol's Sophie's Choice moment and wish they'd leaned into that a bit more. Sol having a chance to save Mae but picking Osha instead would've been more than enough sin for me to believe his years of guilt.
And then there's that stupid effing padawan. His bitching annoyed me even before he just went rogue. Maybe if they'd toned down his "but I want to go home" whining he'd have been more sympathetic and I could chalk up his later over-reaction to the witches' influence (or even to just giving into fear) I'd have bought it a bit more. As it is, his base level seemed to be unfit padawan and he stepped off a ledge from that.
All told, I liked how it played out, though. The Jedi really were there for reasons unrelated to the witches, but things just spiraled out of control as both sides did what they thought was best. The "you should not have brought him here" moment was chilling, and Torbin deflecting all those arrows and then holding his own against Kalnaca gave a bit of awesome to a character I'm otherwise glad drank the poison.
Before I call it a plothole, though, does anybody know how the Jedi knew Mae started a fire? I didn't catch it spoken to them anywhere, and they decided that was the truth before Osha woke up. Did I miss something?
Right, both Sol and Aniseya were acting to protect the girl in their own way.
I didn't catch how the Jedi knew Mae started the fire. but that and the explosions etc, really add to me guessing there's a third perspective. How many stories did Rashomon have? I think it was three.
I also thought it was funny that Sol mistook Mae for Osha toward the end. Blinded by his emotions.
I dunno... I saw a lot of 'what was the point of that episode/it showed the same story again', but I appreciated the different perspective. I actually fully expect a THIRD take on everything to explain what some are calling 'more plotholes'. I know some are thinking it would be from Qimir, but I would think something from Koril.
I thought that was interesting mistaking Mae for Osha.
I agree about Koril - I think she was playing the witches for her benefit, in a long game to be honest, helping support Qimir. I also think it is possible (but not likely) that she clouded the minds of everyone there and the coven is still alive...she faked the Jedi out to have them do what she wanted and believe they were at fault - and think they were dead, and take the girls for their destiny. Somebody had to live to get Mae out of there, I assume Koril.
Indara was a solid voice of reason throughout the episode. In the end, she likely saw a coverup as the lesser of evils since the damage was already done.
It's interesting, I kind of came away from that episode wondering if Indara was gaslighting them all - she sent Sol to the region, she wanted to keep why they were there from Torbin, she missed the fight and the fire, she was the one who said the council had passed on taking the twins...she made sure the story wouldn't be told.
I will admit thought, one problem I have as a viewer of "mystery box" and "who do you trust" perspective stories is that it is hard to know when the "you don't know all the info yet" part comes to an end. For a story like this with characters like the Sith who thrive on misdirection and long-term manipulation and setting up pieces for later, I am somewhat skeptical that this was all coincidence.
Yeah, good point. That's another one, how did Mae get off that planet if she was the only one who survived? And how is she survive the fall Sol as so certain was fatal?
Also, yeah, I've seen people speculating Indara could be the person behind Qimir, if there is one. For some it seems born from feeling she is too big a name to have died in the first episode, but even so I won't hate if it was a faked death. Teetering toward too convoluted but maybe.
This show also isn't that clever. Has there been any twist that was actually a surprise? Maybe Kelnacca already being dead, and then the Yord/Jecki thing. So three surprises in seven episodes. Thrill ride.
My boy Sol did nothing wrong.
If you turn into a scary mist demon from Lost in the middle of a tense negotiation, you deserve to be stabbed by a lightsaber. This Witches cult was stupid as hell, but at least they all (or almost all) died. Good fucking riddance.
Man...this show.
Yep, stabbing first and asking questions later is very light side.
Yes. Stabbing a dark side smoke looking abomination who wants to disintegrate a poor child is very light side. Obi-Wan cut off hands for less. You can try and argue that Sol did anything other than the absolute best a Jedi could in this situation, but I don't really care.
I don't take this show seriously and think it's written by complete hacks, so it's not even a question.
Yes. Stabbing a dark side smoke looking abomination who wants to disintegrate a poor child
You do not definitely know what was happening, but I'll be surprised if she was harming her poor child. Mae said "help me", and Aniseya turned to smoke, as did Mae. I'd assume she was using the Thread to get her kid out of harm's way since those Jedi broke into their home again and at least one was clearly ready to throw down.
And have the witches been proven to be dark side? Is everything not-Jedi definitely dark side? You know who deals in absolutes, right?
You can try and argue that Sol did anything other than the absolute best a Jedi could in this situation, but I don't really care.
I know you already dismissed me, but I argued anyway.
I really wish people who hate this show, don't like this show, or can't take it seriously, would just find a better use of their time. I'm enjoying it and look forward to discussing it.
I think the only thing that was really missing was a look of intent on Sol's part. Even if he misunderstood what was happening, an expression that said he meant to stab her would've gone a long way and better sold the realization afterward that it was actually Mae and that Mama had intended for Osha to go with him.
Instead, he seemed to kill her already with an expression of "what have I done?" which is why I thought he'd been mind controlled.
I hadn't realized until mentioned here, though, that we never saw spikey-mom die. I hope she turns up again. Yord saying that Qimir "gets into your head and stays there" is too specifically like the witch's shtick for it to not be paid off later.
You do not definitely know what was happening, but I'll be surprised if she was harming her poor child. Mae said "help me", and Aniseya turned to smoke, as did Mae. I'd assume she was using the Thread to get her kid out of harm's way since those Jedi broke into their home again and at least one was clearly ready to throw down.
And have the witches been proven to be dark side? Is everything not-Jedi definitely dark side? You know who deals in absolutes, right?
The Jedi didn't know the witches wouldn’t kill the girls and that Aniseya intended to let Osha go. And, apparently, the other witches would have stopped her anyway, so the danger is still present. Torbin was desperate to return to Coruscant, so he wanted to complete this job as soon as possible. That doesn’t negate him believing that by obeying his Master, he would subject two innocent children to be sacrificed in some wierd ritual. Two things can be true. Even if his motives were selfish, his actions resulted in the saving of one of the girls, so I’m not sure what there is to feel guilty for. Aniseya even tried to "mind rape" him...
As for Sol - he is in the right. All aniseya had to do was say ONE sentence and everything would've been completely fine. Sol has come here on the belief that Aniseya intends to harm these girls. This is all happening really fast for him. Sol resorted to murder because, as far as he could tell, Aniseya was doing something to kill Mae. It’s understandable why someone would see that and believe Mae is in danger. There’s literally no more justifiable reason, even if you are a Jedi.
I really wish people who hate this show, don't like this show, or can't take it seriously, would just find a better use of their time. I'm enjoying it and look forward to discussing it.Well, they DON'T enjoy it and still look forward to discussing it. Will me not watching this show make it less bad? Don't think so.
I totally get the perspective of the Jedi, just don't see them as blameless heroes in any way here. I don't see Sol as ever being in the right either. He interprets things he sees and always acts on his assumptions, despite what the council orders or what Indara tells him. He always leads with emotion, which I'm led to believe is a big Jedi no-no. And yeah, he sees Aniseya turning into smoke, and is turning Mae into smoke as well... that seems like she's killing Mae? Doing the same thing to the girl she's doing to herself? Nah, Sol is just a galactic-class shmuck and I agree with you that he is also a murderer. All of that equals one of the worst Jedi shown on screen. And you say his selfish actions resulted in... him saving one of the girls? Neither would have ever been in any danger had he minded his own business and not interfered with another culture. Mae, a child, said 'sacrifice', and you, along with the Jedi, interpreted that in a way that gave permission to act any way they felt was necessary. The ritual is still a mystery and the end result the witches were hoping for isn't clear yet. I still don't see how Sol was justified in charging in and doing however he pleased. The dumbass can't even tell the girls apart despite his supposed connection with the one he manipulated into going along with his plans.
And I'm sure if someone broke into my home, twice, and told me they have the right to coerce one of my children into running away with them, I'd be anxious to explain to them "Oh, sure, yeah my kid is packed and ready to go." Come off it.
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