Posted by: @ru1977

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I agree, Andor works really well in three episode bursts. I'd also be happy with more exploration of that era. I mentioned before, but I also feel they should spin Mon Mothma off into her own series. Continue the style and plot of Andor with her post-Rogue One, and also show some of the events of the OT from her perspective. It would also be a nice way to do soft-recasting of the OT main characters to veer away from digital actors. 

So,  interestingly I thought that the look into the administrative hellscape of the Empire was one of best angles of Andor.   The enormous endless bureaucracies required to run a galaxy.   The political infighting in those military board meetings...  just all of that was really well done.

They mirrored some of that in the Mandalorian too -  but now the with New Republic -  in episode 19 with the scientist who had been captured and assigned to Coruscant and then "rescued" by imperial officer Kane to bring back to Moff Gideon.   The monotonous infrastructure required to keep the planet humming.   I love the peek behind the curtain at stuff like that.

Another show I'd love them to do is the Task Force 99 show. I know I bring this up at every opportunity, but it would be a great way to show the 'imperial perspective'.

I think it would be interesting to see something like that.    Even if they had to do it from a participant who was getting disillusioned with the work -  an inside look from the other side would compelling I think.

Posted by: @ru1977

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Andor works really well in three episode bursts.

That's because that's how long it takes for anything to actually happen in that show. (ZING!)

I'm told Bad Batch did a really good job of showing the early days of the Empire immediately following order 66. I keep thinking of watching it, but I actually don't like the Bad Batch characters themselves so I've been putting it off. 

Posted by: @panthercult

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So,  interestingly I thought that the look into the administrative hellscape of the Empire was one of best angles of Andor.   The enormous endless bureaucracies required to run a galaxy.   The political infighting in those military board meetings...  just all of that was really well done.

I think there is a lot of mileage in a story focused on some group or agency as it transitions from pre-Clone Wars to the Empire to the fall over 25 years - who buys in, who is oblivious/indifferent, who pushes back - as they get asked to do more and more questionable stuff. Maybe set it at one of the military academies - and follow them going from presumably typical officer training in what was a volunteer army supporting the Republic to dealing with Clones/Jedi to becoming Imperial officers and then the aftermath when the Empire falls - are they ostracized and end up in the First Order out of no other choice or because they want to return to their power. Lots of potential for drama and action as they navigate the changes, and the characters take sides.

Or maybe at a media/news organization. Or a humanitarian type government agency that morphs from helping refugees and displaced people into finding "workers" and "purifying" the galaxy - one of the most interesting parts of Andor was describing how they were trying to manipulate and break the traditions of the locals on Aldhani - take the group that was studying and supporting local customs (which were already threatened by hyperspace travel and trade federation stuff) and see how they get twisted to use that knowledge to get the Empire what is wants. 

RU, feel free to start working on the scripts...

I will follow my own post and say that we could follow Biggs for a nice 8 episode story in the few years before ANH - did he go to the academy to become an Imperial, or did he go to learn their stuff and then join the Rebellion, or had he not thought it through or change his mind... I think this has been covered in past Legends stories, but could be fodder, especially if they fit in Wedge and how the Rebellion recruited pilots. (Now I am hoping that Biggs and/or Wedge are in Andor S2 somehow).

SO much fertile soil to till and plant, man.     Millenia of time and light years of space that can be covered.

Agreed, but I do want some basic connection to the core storyline.

Not the strongest episode, confirmed a lot I already suspected, but I still haven't disliked any of these episodes. The finale will be a major factor though. Please stick the landing.

And I admit... I kinda dug the song. I'm ready to be the only one though.

Overall it was interesting although not sure simply telling the story linearly from the start might not have worked as well, given no real bombshells in the reveal? 

I did not expect the reason for the witches demise however.

Curious if the Mom foresaw (and planned for) Mae and Osha being part of the eventual Jedi downfall? Definitely implied that. Part of a larger Sith plan?

Yeah I was wondering if they were like a proto-Anakin, the Force's first (that we know of) attempt at a vergence that will lead to balance. And of course balance means both sides, not just destroying the Sith to ensure supremacy of the light side. Which is why having twins makes a lot of sense, when they seem to both lean in opposite directions. It reminds me of the Seneca myth about the right and left handed twins. 

This episode also was the first time I felt the abrupt ending was perfectly fitting.

I dislike where this went. I know some of you saw Sol as bad guy. I see nothing but bad cops in the Jedi and that sucks. I dislike this bad cop story. Cold. I’m glad they told the story of witches demise. I dislike it pretty much made the Jedi their killers. I’ll watch to the end as I’m compelled to see story’s end. I really dislike it.

It is cold.

Thwipp!

It's also kinda pointless? Like, what IS the point of this particular story? I'm not an idiot, but this show cloaks the non-story behind non-linear storytelling and thinks that makes it good storytelling? What story are they telling?

One more episode and then we'll know. Maybe? Or is it just going to cut to black and they'll claim it was a Sopranos-inspired "twist"?

There's not even anything entertaining in this episode outside of the actors doing the best they can. The most interesting it got was the dream sequence between Torbin and Aniseya because the actors at least had something solid to work with - ironically, no pun intended.

Thinking more about this episode, I wish there was a better reason for Torbin to be agitated than homesickness - maybe make it clearer that the witches amplified his emotions while in his head, really manipulated him (in the hope he would make the Jedi leave)?

Ultimately not sure they established a good enough reason for Sol to be sure that the twins were in danger. I think that needed to be better fleshed out - his intuition, his knowledge of witch covens....? I mean all he saw were two girls using the Force and then their parent telling them to come home. Also, his first instinct when the Mom was vaporizing (to escape I guess) was to use his lightsaber? It was kind if odd, especially since the witches allowed Mae and Osha to be tested. 

I admit that like Schizm I am curious what the point is going into the finale - I suppose rescue Osha and find Qimir? Find out how Qimir came upon Mae in the first place - was she with her other Mom this whole time? 

And while I think they showed the Jedi were out of their depth and reacted badly, not sure they are the bad guys per se. But I agree, easy to interpret that they caused a lot of death for no good reason, and now are covering it up to "spare" Osha, which seems a bit like a rationale to protect themselves.

I agree about the Jedi not necessarily being 'the bad guys'. Several on both sides reacted poorly. I definitely had the impression Aniseya amplified Torbin's homesickness. She recognized it then got him to REALLY focus on it until it was all he could see.

In my view, Sol was entirely motivated by emotion. He'd really make a better Sith. He sees someone, feels a connection, and is utterly driven by that. Anakin would be proud. He'd probably also be proud of Torbin's fast twirling blocks, damn he was good.

I also thought it was funny that Sol mistook Mae for Osha toward the end. Blinded by his emotions.

I dunno... I saw a lot of 'what was the point of that episode/it showed the same story again', but I appreciated the different perspective. I actually fully expect a THIRD take on everything to explain what some are calling 'more plotholes'. I know some are thinking it would be from Qimir, but I would think something from Koril.

The point of this show is power and who gets to use it.  I hope beyond hope they don’t accentuate the witches involvement into twisting the Jedi to anything they wouldn’t do. This is an example of bad cops. Cops who abuse their power and innocent people suffer. These Jedi are terrible. I’m so pissed off that I wanted to root for Sol but that guy is a creep and a murderer. I hope Osha avengers her mother by skewering him with a light saber or forgiving him as they lock his ass up in Jedi prison. By the way Sol or writers of Sol’s character use the Force to suspend the girls and forget about the broken bridge. What a joke of a Jedi master. I guess I didn’t see the signs earlier that Sol was a bad cop too. I really wanted to root for one of the Jedi during this age of the height of the Jedi who are just liars, murderers, manipulators not for peace but to maintain their status quo which I guess is called peace and justice.

Thwipp!