I saw the two Acolyte episodes. I was majorly hyped for it, and shouldn't be surprised that it didn't quite meet my excitement. I did find them entertaining and certainly intriguing. It's fun to be surprised by plot.
It's also cool to have wipes but I feel like they went a little crazy with them.
I actually really enjoyed the first two episodes so far. It's refreshing to have Jedi content - in live action - that has nothing to do with a Skywalker or Kenobi.
It is interesting to me that ALL of the Star Wars content I've enjoyed most since the original trilogy is the stuff that leaves the skywalker family out - and really Jedi's entirely: Andor, Rogue One, the Mandalorian (I know - two Luke appearances), Solo. None of which has much in the way of Jedi.
I did enjoy Ahsoka which is obviously more Jedi heavy and did have the Annakin appearance, but he was a tangent not the focus. Even in animation - Rebels and the Bad Batch were great without leaning too heavily on the Skywalker saga.
Anyway - so far so good on this show for me.
Yeah, the show has a great quality, and I'm most excited for the era. I don't mind Imperial era stuff at all, but it's really cool to see a different time with all new characters. I really hope it leads to more releases set 100 years before the Empire. I do agree though, if they're gonna focus on Jedi, this show feels like a good way to go.
I made it about 30 minutes into the first episode before losing interest. It's not a bad show, I'm just a little burned out on Jedi stuff.
Venturing into comments section, I've learned there are three things this show is doing that is DESTROYING Star Wars lore.
1. The woke stuff, of course. Apparently Osha had two moms? It's an outrage. Supposedly one Jedi uses they/them as well.
2. Ki Adi said the Sith were extinct for a millenia, yet not only are they running around in this show, but the Jedi learn of it?! (This one is funny to me because Darth Maul had this same problem in his novel that came out 20-something years ago. He solved it by, you guessed it, killing all the Jedi witnesses.)
3. A Sith guy tells his subordinate some things then turns on his red lightsaber for no reason. (This one is funnier because a)... so what?! and b) Darth Maul ALSO did this in Solo.)
I'm not even giving it a shot this time around. Maybe after the season is over and I'm bored, or something.
They just arent making good (SW) shows with interesting characters or a good story these days.
@kvhulk For the most part, I agree. This one is interesting to me though. This and Andor are scratching a lot of itches. At the same time, I mostly enjoyed Obi-Wan and Ahsoka, still can't rewatch BOBF, and never finished Mandalorian season 3, if that gives any indication of my tastes.
Finally, CW style Star Wars show 😀
I mean...It’s better than Kenobi, Ahsoka or Mandalorian season 3 (kinda in production value...kinda), but it’s still bad.
@ru1977 The pronouns thing is fucking HILARIOUS to me. These conservative fuckhead crybaby losers can allow their imaginations to live in a world where there's like ten thousand different non-human humanoid species all inhabiting the universe together and capable of living, interacting, and communicating with each other. But if ANY of them don't conform specifically to modern fake gender binary, then their entire pathetic little world crumbles around them. The insanity of it is more spectacular than anything I can think of right now.
Goddamn I hate right-wing zealots so much. So much.
The new show is pretty good. I've said a lot of times in the past and will say again for posterity here on the new forums; a LOT of new Star Wars is just as good as old Star Wars once people take off the nostalgia glasses. The OT isn't that great. The prequel trilogy is arguably as good as the OT in different ways. The new stuff is good too, except for Rise of Skywalker, which I maintain is OBJECTIVELY a fucking garbage film.
Sometimes I kind of use my son of a litmus test for my own nostalgia and biases. You know what he doesn't prefer? The OT. He LOVES Star Wars. He'll watch almost all of it except Andor, which he did find too boring (fair enough, kiddo - I did too). He likes it all. But if I were to ask him which Star Wars thing to put on, he'll almost never ask for the OT. He's more than likely going to want to watch Kenobi or Mando. He's digging this new show a lot, too.
My son didn't like Star Wars until he was 8 or so. He has no nostalgia for any of it, as he was exposed to Mando and the first three trilogies basically at the same time. Without the nostalgia, I don't hear the 'the OT is the only true Star Wars' from him. He just enjoys all of it because it's all kind of on the same quality level, for the most part.
And when I see people strongly disagreeing with that statement, I wonder why and typically don't come to any conclusions flattering to that person.
When I was a kid, Phantom Menace was my first SW movie. I didn't notice too many flaws. "Hey, that guy with the red face and horns looks cool, speeder races, cool"! I loved all that stuff. And yeah, I also thought the original trilogy was a little boring (until the second half of ESB). And if I watch Andor that day...yeah, no.
But as you get older, your views change (or maybe sometimes not...I don't know). You start to notice things that you were not interested in or did not understand before. You become interested in other TV Shows for grown ups, find new meaning in movies you have already seen. When I rewatched Prequels later, I started to notice that they were full of little problems that bothered me. “They should have done it this way instead of that way”, “this character could be removed altogether and this storyline changed”. On the contrary, I started to notice that the OT is full of great little moments that complement the movie and make it better. "Wow...it's amazing how this shot was filmed, people probably put a lot of effort into making it". "This moment is not boring at all, instead it reveals a new side to this character". They were no longer “boring” to me. I wouldn't say the OT is a monumental work without faults, but they are really great movies, with a simple working plot, amazing characters and a good action. And no, they are not on the same quality level, unfortunately. Hell...even as a kid I didn't like Attack of the Clones and thought it was the worst of the six movies (boring romance, Anakin acting like a brat, etc).
As for the Acolyte...I just don't care. It's been two episodes (like 70 minutes) and I'm not interested in any of the characters. Half of them act like morons, others are so lucky that it breaks the immersion. In two episodes they failed to get me cared about them, to understand who they are. It's just plot...and more plot and another action scene. Boring. The dialog is even worse than in the prequels.
Also...that "Jedi master dude" in episode 2 looks like a kid with a wig on...He's not old, hell, he's somewhere between 15 and 50. How much money did they spend on this show? 200 millions? Hell...add another 100 and maybe they can find a better wig.
When I rewatched Prequels later, I started to notice that they were full of little problems that bothered me. “They should have done it this way instead of that way”, “this character could be removed altogether and this storyline changed”. On the contrary, I started to notice that the OT is full of great little moments that complement the movie and make it better. "Wow...it's amazing how this shot was filmed, people probably put a lot of effort into making it". "This moment is not boring at all, instead it reveals a new side to this character".
Thing is - this is still representative of bias. Because what you're saying is absolutely true even if you swap around OT and PT. It's about whether you're looking for it or not - or even what you're coming to the movie to get out of it. I actually think, before Rise of Skywalker existed, Attack was the worst Star Wars thing ever made. My son, however, really likes that movie. It might be his favorite of the prequels. It's about what you're here for. And that's the point; very little in Star Wars is either objectively excellent or objectively terrible. They're all kind of living on a wavy line in between the two, with one being better than the other only under very subjective viewing. It's just the 'is ESB better than ROTJ?' argument writ larger.
It only gets more complex when we start comparing the OT with, say, Mando. I don't see how anyone could reasonably argue that anything in the OT is -objectively- far superior to that first season of Mando, at the very least. And really.. the whole show.
Thing is, it's virtually impossible for us, as adults, to view these things objectively because culturally the characters, and people that PLAY those characters, of the OT have been SO important to pop culture. It's hard to have any objectivity when looking at the character of Luke Skywalker because it's Luke Fucking Skywalker.
@ru1977 The pronouns thing is fucking HILARIOUS to me. These conservative fuckhead crybaby losers can allow their imaginations to live in a world where there's like ten thousand different non-human humanoid species all inhabiting the universe together and capable of living, interacting, and communicating with each other. But if ANY of them don't conform specifically to modern fake gender binary, then their entire pathetic little world crumbles around them. The insanity of it is more spectacular than anything I can think of right now.
Goddamn I hate right-wing zealots so much. So much.
I couldn't agree more. It's just sooooo damned bizarre. I totally get when someone's culture or what have you isn't the same as what you're used to and being taken aback by it; I moved all over the country when I was a kid, so I had a few culture shocks here and there. But to be so cripplingly threatened by it is just... I dunno. I don't get it. Accept and support or move on. Aren't these the same people who said "Lead, follow, or get out of the way"? That third option seems, more often than not, to be the best one.
The new show is pretty good. I've said a lot of times in the past and will say again for posterity here on the new forums; a LOT of new Star Wars is just as good as old Star Wars once people take off the nostalgia glasses. The OT isn't that great. The prequel trilogy is arguably as good as the OT in different ways. The new stuff is good too, except for Rise of Skywalker, which I maintain is OBJECTIVELY a fucking garbage film.
I think I can agree with you. I will always prefer the OT, but I did enjoy a lot of aspects of the PT. My son did take some time to warm up to them, preferring the OT until probably age 6 or 7. but I did have ANH on the tv here and there since he was a baby. When he was four is when I showed him ESB for the first time, and I'll never stop cherishing that viewing. But yeah, he got into the PT and REALLY got into Clone Wars. ROTS is his favorite Star War now, and watching them with him helped me enjoy them more. but he and I both agree about Rise of Skywalker. Just... man. I dunno. I'm done talking about that movie, I think. But TFA and TLJ both had a lot of things I enjoyed. Though I feel TLJ did more than anything else Disney has produced to blow up Star Wars, solely because it was the first time Star Wars had a flashback and slow motion. Seriously, that was the most jarring thing to me. I gripped the armrests and thought, "WHAT IS HAPPENING?!?! No! This isn't Star Wars!"
but that's my own little rigid way of thinking, and I came around on that one with the second watch (with my son).
Sometimes I kind of use my son of a litmus test for my own nostalgia and biases. You know what he doesn't prefer? The OT. He LOVES Star Wars. He'll watch almost all of it except Andor, which he did find too boring (fair enough, kiddo - I did too). He likes it all. But if I were to ask him which Star Wars thing to put on, he'll almost never ask for the OT. He's more than likely going to want to watch Kenobi or Mando. He's digging this new show a lot, too.
Obviously I do too, with my own son. I TOTALLY get Andor being boring, even though I really enjoyed it. Sometimes that kinda stuff really appeals to me. And I liked Kenobi and (most of) Mando. The Mandalorian, from the first episode, I realized was .... just solid popcorn. Which, to me, is what Star Wars was always intended to be. Sure you can have some depth, you can have some twists, but usually it's entertaining, fun, gripping, and visually captivating. I try to keep my mind open for what Star Wars can be, especially now that I've accepted flashbacks and slow motion.
My son didn't like Star Wars until he was 8 or so. He has no nostalgia for any of it, as he was exposed to Mando and the first three trilogies basically at the same time. Without the nostalgia, I don't hear the 'the OT is the only true Star Wars' from him. He just enjoys all of it because it's all kind of on the same quality level, for the most part.
And I think that kinda perspective is fascinating. One thing that comes to mind for me that's similar is Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. If I'd seen those movies when I was a kid, I'm positive I would feel differently, but even as a lifelong Spider-Man fan, the first one came out when I was in my 20s and I thought it was fine. Second one had some better parts, and the third one, to me, was just as fine. They're all kinda silly, cheesy, and hokey. And that works.
So, unless something is just horrendously bad, like ROS, then... I dunno. It's fine.
And when I see people strongly disagreeing with that statement, I wonder why and typically don't come to any conclusions flattering to that person.
Right. I get it's an easy line to draw with pre and post Disney Star Wars, but some people involved in the Disney stuff worked on the Lucas stuff too, and others were huge fans of the Lucas stuff. And I'm sure some are Hollywood cogs, but so what? The thing I disagree with is the whole "well, you aren't a real fan if you like/dislike this." Nah, we all just have the things we gravitate toward. I really enjoyed Andor. It focuses on things I enjoy, but I don't expect any other fan to get the same thing from it as me. That would be silly. It makes me suspect a lot of these people are young, but certainly insecure. I dunno. I like what I like, and I have a really good time discussing it with people who also like it.
@theknightdamien Right, even as a die hard OT fan.... I still have plenty of issues with them. I can see why they're seen as boring. I think ANH is better than ROTJ, but ROTJ is more visually interesting. Of course, my biggest issue will ALWAYS be... Leia being Luke's sister. And that's all compounded from Lucas deciding to not do another trilogy and jam everything into the end of his first trilogy, thus not having time to explore and find that sister.... so it's gotta be the one female we already introduced/he made out with. It's honestly the main reason I would be open to remakes.
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