I agree on not needing a thread for every show, movie, or miniseries.

I only had enough time to watch the first one and I thought it was okay. I had a few little issues with it but it was a better first episode than Book of Boba Fett.

Ahsoka started off fantastic but I feel like I am taking crazy pills seeing so many people believe the mural scene was the exact same scene from the end of Rebels.

It's not. Filoni is up to something and there is no way in hell that he is going to retcon his own show.

Bet. 

Also Kevin Kiner is KILLING it with the music. Gorgeous score so far. I'm glad he is getting his live action debut because the music for Clone Wars and Rebels was always excellent. 

@mannie_bothans I thought so too about the mural scene. I can't quite tell if it's just a case of "something that worked in animation doesn't work in live action, so we changed it", or if there really is something more afoot. I've heard some of the rumors, but I'm trying not to psych myself up too much, because knowing my luck, it'll just be a case of retcon.

There are a handful of differences:

1. Ahsoka is in a grey cloak instead of white and is not carrying a staff 

2. Sabine has a lightsaber

I don’t consider them to be retcons as much as mere details they hadn’t worked on when the Rebels series came to a close 6 years ago. Hell it was probably 7 years when they storyboarded the original scene. Things change a lot when planning out a new series. 

Main question so far, who is taking care of Sabine's Loth-cat while she is away?

I would imagine Jai Kell get's that job shoved onto him 😀

My household is just letting this show unfold. We are enjoying it. I do think that the scene with the mural was intentionally mirroring the end of Rebels but different as this story is its own. It’s not just Rebels season five. 

Was that Loth-cat a puppet like Grogu? Man those puppeteers get even more amazing as these shows continue. I believe that is a living creature on scene.

I’m looking forward to seeing the next five episodes. Steph Green is making more and more cinematic shows. I love episode two of Book of Fett she directed. I still think Deborah Chow can do better. She was maligned for her Kenobi shows. The Sin in season one of Mandalorian is a masterpiece to me. It is cinematic.

Thwipp!

Whatever.

I’ve heard the criticism of Ashoka’s space walk. It just sounds dumb to me. I mean in that same episode there was laser blasts causing smoke in a vacuum of space. 

The whole sequence is taken from George’s fascination with aerial dog fighting. It’s just in space. I like the idea of the swordsman standing off against the fighters. It looked interesting.

In space the fighters would really only need to get in range and open fire on the larger vessel. No need to strafe the bigger ship. Basically just park and blast with their overwhelming firepower. So space battles would look more like a series of positioning and spinning around each other not fly byes.

I know Filoni is fascinated by the Jedi as instructor. Pass on what you have learned is the great virtue of a Jedi to him. It’s not as interesting a story as he thinks with Ahsoka as Sabine’s teacher. Maybe there is some teaching as their friendship grows but honestly Sabine is Mandalorian. That culture is way more adept at surviving and adventuring than Jedi. Jedi are basically Ronin now. Skilled swordsmen doing what they think is just. There is no Order. Their way of keeping peace failed. I was kind of hoping to see some evolution in that concept.

Sabine learning from Ahsoka not as a padawan but rather a friend in a shared quest who sees value in her way of living. That’s more interesting. 

Hell the Pergyl whales and their migration path is more interesting. Why migrate from one galaxy to another? How did other species map their migration or share in the journey? 

The show can be better and might have more interesting narrative to come but it’s not ruined because of space cart wheels.

Thwipp!

I thought the "space walk" sequence worked because a) it was an extreme situation with the ship being disabled and Ahsoka found an atypical way to distract and defend the ship b) it showed Sabine what Ahsoka was capable of as a Jedi.

Space battles in Star Wars almost always suffer from the lack of true 3D thinking, for instance, once the giant hyperspace wheel started firing on them, it would have made sense to shift direction to come at it from a side, not "let's go down its throat" and avoid fire by shifting a few ship lengths up/down and left/right (I know the show tried to explain this with the ship needing to be "steady" for the scan but still...). It is often a swarm of ships coming straight at another, or chasing from behind, which I suspect tactically makes no sense in the void of space without gravity/wind to deal with.

Having said that, they are always fun to watch - it's the Star Wars version of the cop-show car chase.

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Ahsoka started off fantastic but I feel like I am taking crazy pills seeing so many people believe the mural scene was the exact same scene from the end of Rebels.

I rewatched the end of Rebels and my take is that the Rebels scene is when Ahsoka and Sabine first partnered, and Sabine began training. We know that didn't work out - so they had their falling out, went their separate ways, and also gave up on finding Ezra in the process. Hence the differences - Lothal is still somewhat in ruins, Sabine doesn't have her lightsaber, etc., because that was maybe 5 years ago or more...?

The scene in Ahsoka uses the same location and framing but it is not meant to be the same event - the reason it recreates the first time they paired up is because they have both made the choice to try again and commit to working together - if this was a rom-com film, it would be like a couple meeting up at the same place they first met to get their relationship on track after a break-up, as they remember why they had gotten together in the first place. 

The "space walk" scene was the closest any of the live action series have come to matching the pure Clone Wars/Rebels type energy. It was a move straight out of Anakin's playbook. The bit with Ahsoka flipping around and casually asking Sabine, "Did you fix the ship yet?" was pure Clone Wars fun. Lucas wept.

I loved the episode but I am ready for the plot to start moving. 5 episodes left. My hope is that Thrawn/Ezra come in well before episode 8. I hope we get to spend at least some time with them.

I am warming up to the idea of Sabine learning the force. This is the story Filoni wants to tell and this episode made long strides to justify why. "Anger and frustration are quick to give power. But they also unbalance you." "I don't need her to be a Jedi, I need her to be herself." I'm digging what they're putting down... 

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Ahsoka started off fantastic but I feel like I am taking crazy pills seeing so many people believe the mural scene was the exact same scene from the end of Rebels.

I rewatched the end of Rebels and my take is that the Rebels scene is when Ahsoka and Sabine first partnered, and Sabine began training. We know that didn't work out - so they had their falling out, went their separate ways, and also gave up on finding Ezra in the process. Hence the differences - Lothal is still somewhat in ruins, Sabine doesn't have her lightsaber, etc., because that was maybe 5 years ago or more...?

The scene in Ahsoka uses the same location and framing but it is not meant to be the same event - the reason it recreates the first time they paired up is because they have both made the choice to try again and commit to working together - if this was a rom-com film, it would be like a couple meeting up at the same place they first met to get their relationship on track after a break-up, as they remember why they had gotten together in the first place. 

 

I 100% thought this the first time I watched. But the one thing keeping me from accepting that is Ahsoka's transformation into Ahsoka The White.

For Rebels it was the end of the series and that quick shot conveyed so much. She went on a journey and has clearly changed.

Now for the Ahsoka series, and as much as it pains me to say, I think that scene is suppose to be the same scene. Now they are going to show us how Ahsoka becomes Ahsoka The White. I think we will see her in that style in this series. It hurts to think that Filoni is going to retcon his own show, but maybe there is an opportunity here.

I keep going back and forth lol.

It makes sense that it is a different scene like you say, and that would indeed explain the how Ahsoka and Sabine had enough time to develop that Master/Apprentice relationship. But then it would also mean that Ahsoka The White somehow went backward? Why isn't she Ahsoka The White now?

This is why I think they want to show us that journey and unfortunately had to make some changes.

I don't know what to feel. Rebels is everything to me and the idea that one second of it isn't canon doesn't sit well. But I am patient. I'm going to let the show play out in entirety. I trust Filoni. 

@mannie_bothans Its possible, I feel like the current Ahsoka is the wiser, OK with herself and her choices, version of Ahsoka, and we shouldn't read too much into her not wearing that cloak so far? We know she has connected with Luke from the Mandalorian show, she is almost (to me) too stoic and calm and serious, and we don't fully know why she and Sabine fell out. Guess we could find out that "Ahsoka the White" came out of her time with Sabine maybe a little broken as well, like she wanted to be a Jedi Master and felt she failed Sabine as her Padawan, and she has reverted (a little) to just being the Ronin Jedi again...?

It doesn't help that the actual timeline is rarely mentioned, so hard to know how far along things are supposed to be from the end of Rebels to "now". 

Third option - Sabine had a vision of her future, and that was what we saw in Rebels, so it hadn't happened yet...hence the differences...

I feel it could go either way, but given it would have been so easy to do a shot for shot remake with the exact same costumes and so on, that it is not supposed to be the same event, but mirroring it for narrative purposes.