I agree about Doom probably being at least set up in FF.

One thing for the MCU, I feel like Avengers 5 is gonna be a massive blockbuster no matter what. RDJ, avengers, yeah butts are coming to seats. But Doomsday has to be as good as how people remember Infinity War being for Secret Wars to also be a massive blockbuster. So Doomsday reeeeally has to stick a difficult landing. 

Outstanding way to cross promote.

https://twitter.com/DenizCamp/status/1817389358829257125?t=KNk-SuHpD14WLLTuQSBqnQ&s=19

I mean I respect RDJ's talent but it is annoying to have waited so long in life for a good Dr Doom in another media and have him be either A) as a subset to another Tony Stark story or B) a variant to bide time til the real Doom shows up.

@derrabbi i totally get that. I can see that perspective and understand anyone being disappointed with this. If I'm honest, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I can see how it could work really well, but they're probably doing something I wouldn't think of anyway. I also could see it being a weird, desperate move. But either way, I'm seeing it and hope they pull it off.

As RDJ said on stage, "I.....am.....Doom."

So a couple of ideas as to how this could go - 

1 - Simplest is Downey is never seen looking like Stark (masked or scarred), and the characters are not connected at all.

2 - Alternate timeline version 1 - something different happened in the past - Hydra won the war and Howard worked for them and his kid was groomed for power; or Tony's Mom married a Von Doom after only Howard was killed by Bucky; or Tony's parents were killed earlier by Bucky and Tony was "adopted" by a Doom; or Tony lost his memory during the attack in IM1 - some scenario where Tony ends up with the Von Doom persona and is never IM.

3 - Alternate timeline version 2 - they merge the Superior Spider-Man and Infamous Iron Man stories and have a Doom use his sorcerer powers to take over the body of a Stark in an alternate universe, gaining Tony's intellect as well. Maybe that Doom takes down the Kangs and assumes their time travel/universe jumping powers.

4 - In the main MCU, maybe something happened when Tony used the Infinity Gauntlet that created Doom. Maybe the selfless, noble, heroic part of Tony was consumed/killed, but the selfish, fascist leaning, amoral part of Tony generated a new being - Victor Von Doom - like his evil doppelganger.

@ru1977 More FF spec

Any and all of that is possible. 

With Doom though, I still suspect (with almost noooooo evidence) he is simply Victor Von Doom from another reality and has no connection to any Starks. My guess is he also escapes that reality and once aware of the multiverse possibilities as well as incursions, works toward what happens in secret wars. RDJ said "same task, new mask", which I take to mean what he has in common with Stark is wanting to protect the world. Rather than encasing it in armor though, Doom wants to reshape it in the way he feels is best. Also I expect no quips. I know a lot of complaints are expecting this means Doom will be funny but I actually bet he will be one of Downey's most serious roles.

The FF trailer that was shown was filmed from an audience member.

FF

@fac same here. I'm not a big FF fan but I was hoping they'd get me interested enough to watch it and they absolutely did. I really like the tone and the look of it. 

I saw some are calling the FF trailer the highpoint of the marvel panel. Again, I get why people aren't excited for the casting. I'm not really either, but I'm willing to roll with it, but yeah some feel its a massive shark being jumped.

This RDJ Doom thing is kind of a shocker.  I have no idea how to feel about it at this point.  I know what I want and I know what I don't want:

I don't want RDJ Doom to be some sort of "variant" or the product of some weird time travel, alt-reality Tomfoolery.  There is no need to make things convoluted here.  Since we're moving on from Kang, let's also move on from Multiverse....it's tired.

I also don't want RDJ to be some attention-getting placeholder until they cast the "real" Doom.  Just give us the "real" Doom right off the bat, RDJ or otherwise.

I think best case scenario for me is that he's just Victor Von Doom.  Mask on most of the time, when it's off he's terribly disfigured or something.  No clever "Hey, you look a lot like someone I know...." quips.  Just have the actor play the character.  

If I had to guess, I would say my "don't wants" are 100 times more likely than my "want".

Sight unseen, I think I would rather have had them recast Kang and continue all the timey-wimey variant business they've been setting up.  I agree that Doom is a better villain than Kang, but I don't agree that he's a better villain for this story than Kang.

I'm also not stoked for RDJ as Doom. It can't be THE Doom, so it just feels like a stunt while we tread water waiting for the real one. 

Buuut, like I said, that's just my reaction based on the now and not knowing what's really going on. I also confess I haven't been excited about Marvel movies since maybe No Way Home, so these announcements probably would've landed flat with me regardless.

But why can't he be THE Doom? It's a movie.

I get it - I wish they would have picked someone else also. But he's the sizzle that makes the MCU the MCU, apparently, so to have that it factor back is probably worth it.

Casting was always the MCU's homerun and though Phase 4 really challenged them and FF needs to prove itself - the group on stage had very little chemistry and all the promising of "family" is more an educated wish than apparent, no matter how infectious Pedro's charisma can be - I get this task is Herculean and they went with their star quarterback/pitcher/3 point shooter person. 🙂 And RDJr already blew them off the stage.

Also, I won't miss Kang at all. I thought Majors was terrible with his sweaty, pouty expression for every weird line delivery. He and Kathryn Newton were the first big swings and a miss to me, so never having to watch him eat scenery and get praised for it again is Fantastic.

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But why can't he be THE Doom? It's a movie.

I get it - I wish they would have picked someone else also. But he's the sizzle that makes the MCU the MCU, apparently, so to have that it factor back is probably worth it.

We were severely disagreeing just, what, a week ago? Now I'm completely in agreement. Not my first choice, but I don't hate it either. I totally get it.

And I see a lot of people of nerd ilk HATING this idea, but I always use my brother in law as an indication of the average movie goer. He has never even touched a comic, but sees every action and franchise movie that looks good to him.

"Another Avengers movie? Robert Downey Jr is back? And he's the bad guy? F*%#, I'm there opening night!"

I've said already, I totally get anything from hesitation to full rejection about this idea, but... it's probably a smart move as far as average ticket buyers go.

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Casting was always the MCU's homerun and though Phase 4 really challenged them and FF needs to prove itself - the group on stage had very little chemistry and all the promising of "family" is more an educated wish than apparent, no matter how infectious Pedro's charisma can be - I get this task is Herculean and they went with their star quarterback/pitcher/3 point shooter person. 🙂 And RDJr already blew them off the stage.

Also, I won't miss Kang at all. I thought Majors was terrible with his sweaty, pouty expression for every weird line delivery. He and Kathryn Newton were the first big swings and a miss to me, so never having to watch him eat scenery and get praised for it again is Fantastic.

I enjoyed Majors more than most, probably. At least on Loki. He was chewing scenery, but I felt like so many straight minutes of exposition called for it. Quantumania had so much that made me restless that I barely noticed his performance in that, but I DID notice Newton's. Talk about lack of chemistry with her family.

FF... I wasn't able to gauge chemistry on that yet, but the trailer was pretty fun.

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I think I would rather have had them recast Kang and continue all the timey-wimey variant business they've been setting up. 

I'm also not stoked for RDJ as Doom. It can't be THE Doom, so it just feels like a stunt while we tread water waiting for the real one. 

Recasting a major character when unplanned/unforeseen events make it impossible to go forward with the original actor?  No way.

Have the franchise's main actor play the main hero and now the main villain coincidentally when they are trying to pull themselves out of a years-long slump?  Go for it!

This is just my cynical/tongue-in-cheek reaction so no one take that too seriously.  I have no idea how this will play out.  It might be fine.