@fac also, with young female avengers, I'll never forget this interview with Alaqua Cox at D23 when asked who she wants to team up with:
"Ms. Marvel. I would love to meet her. I saw her, but we were passing each other and of course I was too nervous to say hi but I would love to meet her. Hopefully, I'll get to meet her today!"
Yes I let the personality of the person playing the character color how I see the character (which is easier with Kamala since she comes across as very similar) but that's just too heartwarming.
SpoilerEcho season finaleThe silent style was.... Kinda fun and I appreciate they moved away from it by the end of the prologue but they could have sooner.
SpoilerPointless ramblings re:the silient filmTwo things about it bugged me - a personal annoyance is using silent or black and white film to evoke a time in the past, like the 1880s - especially after vibrant color for the cave and lacrosse prologues - and when silent film really only existed for a couple of decades much later than that, so it is a anachronism to use it for 1880s, when that is really 1920s. It is just goofy to me to invoke the media at the time to imply an era, but if you do it, make it accurate - it would be like using low-res VHS to invoke the 1950's (which weren't black and white either despite TV from the time).
Then they started to transition the effect as it went along by adding sound effects (the horses in the water for instance timed to the image) along with the music before it went wide screen, meaning it wasn't a silent film that Maya or someone had seen (like maybe she liked silent films as a kid as she didn't have to rely on subtitles or felt she was missing anything), but an actual event being portrayed. Just was too obviously meant to be "filmmaking" I thought.
And that's all fair, to me.
That episode was also the only one NOT directed by Sydney Freeland, so it's not surprising it had a different style to it like that. But I get what you're saying about trying to get the audience to feel a certain era by using the wrong era.
It would have been really interesting had they told the story by showing a bunch of tintypes with sound effects, horse noises, etc over it. Or maybe even a narration like a Ken Burns documentary. Have Wes Studi or Michael Greyeyes narrate it.
So Fisk was looking for his replacement? So he chose his “stolen” niece/daughter?
I don’t understand Fisk’s motivations clearly in relation to Maya’s father. That didn’t play out as well as I was hoping.
Personally the way this story played out Maya’s story as a super hero seems played out. She killed for Fisk. She kills Fisk’s associates/rivals moving forward?
I do agree her trying to heal Fisk was a good move. Her powers were about protecting her people and bringing healing to family (extended or wild life). I’m not sure how it extends to a member of the Avengers. The people of the world are her people?
I kind of understand the powers as they are shared from her descendants and she can share the power. Is it also an Iron Fist thing? Supernatural or super hero strength? She did affect the train car coupling.
It was ok. I kind of expected a bit more.
Thwipp!
So Fisk was looking for his replacement? So he chose his “stolen” niece/daughter?
I don’t understand Fisk’s motivations clearly in relation to Maya’s father. That didn’t play out as well as I was hoping.
You know, I hadn't thought of the idea that maybe Fisk killed Maya's Dad to make sure she was tied to Fisk going forward, making him the surrogate father for her. That is especially dark, he wanted an heir, so he took out her Dad - but I like it as it fits his character.
I think I mentioned earlier I wish we had more reason to understand why Fisk would have even known who Maya was as a young girl and take an interest in her.
Yeah, he was definitely grooming her all along. Maybe he had legitimate affection for her, but he was also grooming her. I don't know why he waited so long to take her dad out, but I think maybe the writers don't either. That is likely the explanation for a lot of these questions. The writers likely just didn't figure those aspects out.
It was clear he was grooming her to be the second in command from this show, but I assumed Fisk killed her Dad for "business" reasons. But the idea he did it mainly to get Maya even deeper into his orbit...? It just makes him so despicable that he would kill her father just to make her more dependent on him. Doing it for business reasons is just ruthless, which we expect from a mob boss. Did I miss or forget a storybeat from Hawkeye that her Dad maybe wanted her out?
Now I am really thinking either I missed something or this was a missed opportunity to not make this explicit, if that was the intention...
Maya is definitely a character worth exploring more with Netflix characters. I know we don’t like Danny Rand as much as say Luke Cage. Nevertheless Maya meeting up with them. Maya having to deal with Frank. Interesting stories for sure.
Thwipp!
I finally saw The Marvels. I REALLY enjoyed it, especially the interactions and chemistry with the main three.
I hear Foggy and Karen will indeed be returning for Disney Daredevil now. That is the correct move, I'm happy to hear it.
I agree. Yeah, let's remove all of Matt's friendly supporting cast. That would be like if Spider-Man were to ... oh.
I know it isn't the same because they're still alive and almost definitely coming back in Spider-man 4.
@ru1977 Glad you got to see it finally. I will watch it again once it is D+.
I liked the chemistry as well with the leads. Iman does a great job.
I wanted just a bit more with Carol and Monica to have them talk about what happened and how maybe Carol was around more than Monica thought, and maybe Carol was there for Maria's last days after Monica was blipped, it bugs me when characters don't talk as being the reason for tension over what might have been a misunderstanding.
I wanted a bit less of Kamala's family, who I like overall, but them being on the space station was a bit much for me.
I get what you mean about Monica and Carol. It's there but it feels like they stripped that down to the bare minimum. No dwelling on the character stuff for long.
When the movie ended, I was actually immediately ready to rewatch. I was gonna say it was the first marvel movie like that for me in ages but remembered Gotg3. So it's the second movie I wanted to rewatch immediately after since No Way Home.
Now some reddit leakers etc are detailing some subplots cut out of Echo. It's one of those things where they sound amazing and awesome on paper, but they did cut them out so maybe it wasn't working the way they wanted them to.
The big one to me was Echo texting with someone in New York to get updates on how Kingpin's empire was crumbling, and later about the reactions to her train heist. In the end it turns out to be Matt Murdock, so I'm guessing there was more to their initial fight. This is funny because initial leaks said Matt appeared in two episodes and some are calling BS on this deleted plot because it makes it sound like Matt is in most of the episodes, but I don't see why that is BS if he's just texting her. You don't see Matt, according to this, outside of their first fight and a later scene toward the end.
Anyway, like Marvels, I would still be down for an extended or director's cut of Echo.
I'm two episodes into Echo right now and fellas, chums, good pals.... I don't give a single shit about this story.
I really tried. I did. And I feel like there's a chance this comes off like I don't like it for the wrong reasons but; I basically don't like the main elements of this show. I don't like Maya as a character, and I don't care about Native American stuff. And yeah, I know how that sounds. It's not a racism thing. I have just never enjoyed Native American mythology, stories, or aesthetics. It bores the ever living shit out of me, just like this show does.
Maya seems like a cool and engaging tertiary character. I -want- to see her show up in Punisher, and Daredevil, and Avengers, and what-have-you. I'm not advocating for the character to disappear. But I just can't do several more HOURS of this character and this supporting cast when I just do not care even a little bit about ANY of them.
Also, two episodes in and I'm not rooting for anybody. To me that really hurts engagement. I don't care who 'wins' this. The opening was so slow and seemingly unrelated that I actually thought I hit play on the wrong show. They could have done a lot of Ep1 through flashbacks, but they just crammed it all into the beginning and I was sooooooooo bored. Then she fought Daredevil and that was the first and last time I was having fun watching this.
This will be the first time since Secret whatever, and only the second time in MCU history, that I'm just gonna skip it and read spoilers so I know how this affects future shows/movies.
As an aside; the whole groping thing in Ep 1 was fucking dumb and lazy. Oh, he's a baddie and we need to set up a really good reason why we can enjoy Maya beating his ass in a few minutes so there's 'personal stakes' for her. LAZY, stupid writing. So you're telling me that the thug guarding the door for his drug dealer crime boss would feel entitled to MOLEST a potential customer or representative of another crime boss, or representative of his boss's boss, just because that rep is a girl? That's what I'm expected to believe? That he wouldn't think that MAYBE his boss would shoot him in the face for something like that?
I'm not saying dudes aren't terrible. Dudes are definitely terrible. That guy in particular might even definitely be the kind of guy that sexually assaults women. Sure. But in -that- situation, he'd have to have a death wish to do it. It's insane. It's bad writing. It's a cheap, lazy way to say 'he's bad and you should enjoy it when Maya punches him.' But I didn't enjoy it because I was too focused on how stupid it was.
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