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I do hope we get a Wolverine and Morph arc in season two, wherever they may be.

What's left for them to do but kiss on screen?

 

X-Men have been filling up my feeds lately and if I've learned anything whilst trying to dodge spoilers (I still haven't seen the last two episodes) is that the internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

 


   
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Plus, as I mentioned, the humans would perceive the X-Men as having lied for political purposes.

And they sure did...People were protesting in front of the school.

 


   
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Internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

Maybe some Twitter people at best. He's straight, the showrunner explicitly said so, and there's nothing wrong with that. This kind of thing can create a good drama between characters. On the contrary, throwing a character's entire history and 6 seasons of work out of the window for the sake of some "Internet shippers" is a pretty stupid idea that leads nowhere. 

Everyone's already forgotten about Kylo and Rey "relationship". Which was just gross...

 


   
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I do hope we get a Wolverine and Morph arc in season two, wherever they may be.

What's left for them to do but kiss on screen?

 

X-Men have been filling up my feeds lately and if I've learned anything whilst trying to dodge spoilers (I still haven't seen the last two episodes) is that the internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

 

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That little moment in the finale was sweet.

If Hasbro does a new Morph it’d be cool if the did the new costume but with a head that fits in the previous release.

 


   
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I do hope we get a Wolverine and Morph arc in season two, wherever they may be.

What's left for them to do but kiss on screen?

 

X-Men have been filling up my feeds lately and if I've learned anything whilst trying to dodge spoilers (I still haven't seen the last two episodes) is that the internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

 

 

The guy's been alive for over 100 years and basically in his physical prime the whole time. I guess it's never too late to enter a bi-curious phase. 

The 10 episode season thing is kind of interesting to me because, as up and down as the Disney+ shows have been, I think one of their strengths has been length. Some are 10 episodes, some are 6, and most had solid pacing. I think with X-Men, we see a show the network isn't 100% behind (or at least wasn't to start with) and people writing for the show have to balance what they want to include and what they need to hold off on, but the threat of never getting that chance can be a hard thing to suppress. Batman: TAS never had to deal with such a thing since they got a 65 episode order right out of the gate. It would have been awesome if '97 could have received something similar, but no one is doing that stuff anymore since the distribution model is so different. I'm just hoping that now that they're a season in and the show is a hit they can write more confidently and worry less about the factors that are out of their control. Even though no streaming show is ever safe since these companies can't figure out how to quantify them beyond what it costs on their balance sheet.

 


   
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I do hope we get a Wolverine and Morph arc in season two, wherever they may be.

What's left for them to do but kiss on screen?

 

X-Men have been filling up my feeds lately and if I've learned anything whilst trying to dodge spoilers (I still haven't seen the last two episodes) is that the internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

 

 

The guy's been alive for over 100 years and basically in his physical prime the whole time. I guess it's never too late to enter a bi-curious phase. 

The 10 episode season thing is kind of interesting to me because, as up and down as the Disney+ shows have been, I think one of their strengths has been length. Some are 10 episodes, some are 6, and most had solid pacing. I think with X-Men, we see a show the network isn't 100% behind (or at least wasn't to start with) and people writing for the show have to balance what they want to include and what they need to hold off on, but the threat of never getting that chance can be a hard thing to suppress. Batman: TAS never had to deal with such a thing since they got a 65 episode order right out of the gate. It would have been awesome if '97 could have received something similar, but no one is doing that stuff anymore since the distribution model is so different. I'm just hoping that now that they're a season in and the show is a hit they can write more confidently and worry less about the factors that are out of their control. Even though no streaming show is ever safe since these companies can't figure out how to quantify them beyond what it costs on their balance sheet.

 

Wouldn't banging Morph technically make Logan pansexual? Where do we fall on him banging Morph ONLY when Morph is in female-presenting form? What if he mimics Wolverine himself? Is it masturbation? Are you gay if you jerk off? THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS.
But also, shipping the two isn't exactly a reach (around.... haha). The shower scene was written/animated in a strange way because it intimates -either- some kind of sexual tension, or that Morph is just a creep. And otherwise Morph doesn't seem like a creep in the show so it kind of stands to reason that he and Logan have touched tips a little bit. It's okay. They're adults. They're allowed. It also doesn't make Wolverine 'gay' since we also know he's had plenty of relationships with women.

You hit the nail on the head with a smaller episode count and crammed storylines basically just being the result of how corporations order shows now. But that doesn't make it good. Hell, the entire idea that Disney may not have fully 'believed in' this reboot/sequel show PROVES that the kind of people making decisions shouldn't be the people making decisions. The entire upper tier of decision-makers in media is a fucking clown show of morons that think superheroes in superhero costumes won't work on screen, but also think Speed Racer is a great idea for a film. It's frustrating that everything we can/will see is basically determined by the stupidest, most out-of-touch goddamn people on earth.

 


   
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I do hope we get a Wolverine and Morph arc in season two, wherever they may be.

What's left for them to do but kiss on screen?

 

X-Men have been filling up my feeds lately and if I've learned anything whilst trying to dodge spoilers (I still haven't seen the last two episodes) is that the internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

 

 

The guy's been alive for over 100 years and basically in his physical prime the whole time. I guess it's never too late to enter a bi-curious phase. 

The 10 episode season thing is kind of interesting to me because, as up and down as the Disney+ shows have been, I think one of their strengths has been length. Some are 10 episodes, some are 6, and most had solid pacing. I think with X-Men, we see a show the network isn't 100% behind (or at least wasn't to start with) and people writing for the show have to balance what they want to include and what they need to hold off on, but the threat of never getting that chance can be a hard thing to suppress. Batman: TAS never had to deal with such a thing since they got a 65 episode order right out of the gate. It would have been awesome if '97 could have received something similar, but no one is doing that stuff anymore since the distribution model is so different. I'm just hoping that now that they're a season in and the show is a hit they can write more confidently and worry less about the factors that are out of their control. Even though no streaming show is ever safe since these companies can't figure out how to quantify them beyond what it costs on their balance sheet.

 

Wouldn't banging Morph technically make Logan pansexual? Where do we fall on him banging Morph ONLY when Morph is in female-presenting form? What if he mimics Wolverine himself? Is it masturbation? Are you gay if you jerk off? THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS.
But also, shipping the two isn't exactly a reach (around.... haha). The shower scene was written/animated in a strange way because it intimates -either- some kind of sexual tension, or that Morph is just a creep. And otherwise Morph doesn't seem like a creep in the show so it kind of stands to reason that he and Logan have touched tips a little bit. It's okay. They're adults. They're allowed. It also doesn't make Wolverine 'gay' since we also know he's had plenty of relationships with women.

 

You're asking the important questions and it's on X-Men '97 to finally provide the answers. X-Men love their soap opera dynamics, what could be more soapy than a convoluted Morph and Wolverine relationship where one person can literally be anyone? "Why can't you love me, Logan, when I'm my true self?!" "Shuddup, Morph, and turn into Jeanie! And ge'me another beer!"

 


   
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I do hope we get a Wolverine and Morph arc in season two, wherever they may be.

What's left for them to do but kiss on screen?

 

X-Men have been filling up my feeds lately and if I've learned anything whilst trying to dodge spoilers (I still haven't seen the last two episodes) is that the internet really, really wants gay Wolverine to happen.

 

 

The guy's been alive for over 100 years and basically in his physical prime the whole time. I guess it's never too late to enter a bi-curious phase. 

The 10 episode season thing is kind of interesting to me because, as up and down as the Disney+ shows have been, I think one of their strengths has been length. Some are 10 episodes, some are 6, and most had solid pacing. I think with X-Men, we see a show the network isn't 100% behind (or at least wasn't to start with) and people writing for the show have to balance what they want to include and what they need to hold off on, but the threat of never getting that chance can be a hard thing to suppress. Batman: TAS never had to deal with such a thing since they got a 65 episode order right out of the gate. It would have been awesome if '97 could have received something similar, but no one is doing that stuff anymore since the distribution model is so different. I'm just hoping that now that they're a season in and the show is a hit they can write more confidently and worry less about the factors that are out of their control. Even though no streaming show is ever safe since these companies can't figure out how to quantify them beyond what it costs on their balance sheet.

 

Wouldn't banging Morph technically make Logan pansexual? Where do we fall on him banging Morph ONLY when Morph is in female-presenting form? What if he mimics Wolverine himself? Is it masturbation? Are you gay if you jerk off? THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS.
But also, shipping the two isn't exactly a reach (around.... haha). The shower scene was written/animated in a strange way because it intimates -either- some kind of sexual tension, or that Morph is just a creep. And otherwise Morph doesn't seem like a creep in the show so it kind of stands to reason that he and Logan have touched tips a little bit. It's okay. They're adults. They're allowed. It also doesn't make Wolverine 'gay' since we also know he's had plenty of relationships with women.

 

Important questions to be sure. 

I'm going to call out that shower comment, the one where Morph wants to get those, "hard to reach places".  That comment could easily be something I hear from multiple of my buddies at a guys' cabin weekend or a bachelor party.  Some sort of setting with a whole lot of debauchery going on and there's no significant others to put you in the dog house and no internet to cancel you.  We just make stupid comments like that because we're comfortable and we're all good friends.  Like how Morph and Wolverine are.  I understand there were some deeper scenes and dialogue since then, but had that been exhibit A, I wouldn't have put too much stock in it.

 

Also, Morph needs to take a tip from Psylocke and Jean Grey:  Skip the innuendo, just walk right in and watch.

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Deadpool is canonically pansexual, so it'd make sense for someone who can shapeshift into anyone to be as well. As for Logan's side, I've always just seen them as best friends, the way he & Kurt are in the comics.

Are we still spoiler-tagging? I legit never want to ruin anything for anyone...

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I NEED half-jaw Bastion, but because it's so similar to their HasLab one (still furious about them putting that up literally two months into a global pandemic lockdown when half of their customers were out of work), they likely won't, just to screw me. I'd take 1st form "normal" Bastion as well, but they'll probably do Final Form, which I am least interested in.

And I really hope Hasbro sees their sales figures & the ratings from the show, and rereleases the first two waves. I still don't want to go completionist, but there's still a few figures I'd like to get that are now impossible to for MSRP.


   
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It's funny to me to see the people in some of the Facebook groups I read who are just now trying to track down the X-Men 97 figures from the show saying "why are these (wave 1) figures so hard to find? "   And it's like -  Wave 1 was easy to find, and even went on discount some places before Christmas to clear stock...  it's just that the show wasn't out yet.     

 

Hasbro probably should have had some stock of Wave 1 they held back when they learned the show premiere was pushed back -  for just this eventuality -  but I guess you never know.


   
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The shower scene in X-97 was about as subtle as this cover.

I'm here for it.


   
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Wouldn't banging Morph technically make Logan pansexual? Where do we fall on him banging Morph ONLY when Morph is in female-presenting form? What if he mimics Wolverine himself? Is it masturbation? Are you gay if you jerk off? THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS.
But also, shipping the two isn't exactly a reach (around.... haha). The shower scene was written/animated in a strange way because it intimates -either- some kind of sexual tension, or that Morph is just a creep. And otherwise Morph doesn't seem like a creep in the show so it kind of stands to reason that he and Logan have touched tips a little bit. It's okay. They're adults. They're allowed. It also doesn't make Wolverine 'gay' since we also know he's had plenty of relationships with women.

IMO, the Morph/Logan stuff wasn't subtextual so much as openly textual. Morph turning into Sabretooth to wrestle Logan, Morph turning into Jean for Logan's pleasure, etc. YMMV, but I thought the writers were hinting at something more intense than friendship. Of course, it will never go beyond hinting because Disney is one of the most conservative corporations around. I don't mean that politically (though that meaning applies, too), but in the stories they choose to tell. I can't think of a prominent gay character in the Disney canon. Iceman is probably the closest thing, and who knows how much Disney actually cared about that editorial decision because it happened before they acquired the X-Men film rights. He's also a second- or third-tier X-Man.

Sadly, Wolverine is far too valuable of a commodity for Disney to saddle him with anything remotely controversial. Given the history of homosexuality among samurai and ancient Greek soldiers, I could talk about how it makes sense for Wolverine to be bisexual, but I don't think anyone wants to hear that.

Honestly, I'd much rather focus my efforts on characters and relationships that Chris Claremont hinted at but was denied by editorial. Magneto/Xavier, Kitty/Illyana/Rachel, and the newly rectified Mystique/Destiny relationship.

 


   
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Wolverine's not gay, you weirdos. He's just a little hairy guy that's always threatening to stick his 6 hand-erections into other guys.

 

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Of course, it will never go beyond hinting because Disney is one of the most conservative corporations around. I don't mean that politically (though that meaning applies, too), but in the stories they choose to tell. I can't think of a prominent gay character in the Disney canon.

They do not, as of yet, have the guts to go all-in on a gay storyline and there are no PROMINENT gay characters in any of their franchises, but they have definitely and not-so-subtly been inserting throw away lines of dialogue and other sorts of signaling into everything from Marvel to Star wars to the stuff aimed at kids.  Stuff that could have easily been left out and had absolutely no effect on the main story.  As if to say, "We want to acknowledge this but we're afraid of the backlash it might get us if we go all-in".  "Passive Progressive" was a term I heard once in relation to Disney, and I think that is very apt. 

 


   
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I read those scenes as Morph having feelings for Wolverine, but not vice versa. Unrequited love rectangle.


   
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