Did anyone answer his questions about Lillith? I know of her but not specifically whose villain she is myself. Lol. I have seen her in several heroes books over the years. I assume she is a Ghost Rider villain first and foremost. I also agree Social media sucks to have a conversation or ask a question in. I was going through serious withdrawal when the Fwoosh was down. I love this safe place to talk toys.
The Lilith figure shown is specifically a Ghost Rider villain. She first appeared in the Danny Ketch series (or was it Spirits of Vengeance? I forget), and has no relation to the older Marvel character Lilith Drake (Daughter of Dracula).
The figure represents Marvel's take on the Biblical Lilith, Mother of Monsters, and First Wife of Adam. But yeah, Ghost Rider-specific villain.
But, with that said, we NEED a Lilith Drake figure, STAT!!The Lilith figure shown is specifically a Ghost Rider villain. She first appeared in the Danny Ketch series (or was it Spirits of Vengeance? I forget), and has no relation to the older Marvel character Lilith Drake (Daughter of Dracula).
The figure represents Marvel's take on the Biblical Lilith, Mother of Monsters, and First Wife of Adam. But yeah, Ghost Rider-specific villain.
But, with that said, we NEED a Lilith Drake figure, STAT!!The Lilith figure shown is specifically a Ghost Rider villain. She first appeared in the Danny Ketch series (or was it Spirits of Vengeance? I forget), and has no relation to the older Marvel character Lilith Drake (Daughter of Dracula).
The figure represents Marvel's take on the Biblical Lilith, Mother of Monsters, and First Wife of Adam. But yeah, Ghost Rider-specific villain.
100%. Preach it.
Yup, let’s a get a classic Lilith Drake / classic Dracula two-pack!! Lilith has never been made ever before, nor has the Colan version of Dracula. Lilith should be Earl Norem style, though.
@jtmarsh the thing about those discount prices is it typically isn't Hasbro that's eating the reduction on those - they sell at their wholesale price to the retail vendors and then those vendors sell at retail price to us and if the product doesn't sell it's the retailers who have to reduce the price and eventually take the much smaller margin. So it's often the retailers that take the bigger hit initially - which is why they order less the next time.
With huge overruns it can be either entity that makes the deal with outlet stores. Sometimes a retailer like Target or WalMart can offload pallets of unmoveable stock to discount retailers to recoup some cash or sometimes if Hasbro can't get retail partners to take more stock from their warehouse they sell to the discount retailers - so it might be the retailer or it might be Hasbro that took the loss, or sometimes both - depending.
But when the retailers take the hit on product like that their response is to order less - or not at all - next time. If Target and WalMart or even Amazon slash their order quantities then Hasbro makes fewer figures. It doesn't behoove anyone to make more figures than they can sell.
The cynic in me thinks that the move the manufacturer makes here - and I'm confident McFarlane is already doing it - is to deliberately under serve demand of the next wave or two and whip up a little FOMO and desperation in the base. Get rid of the mentality people have of "I'll just wait for clearance, thanks" After a wave or two where there is no Clearance - customers start pre-ordering again and stop playing the discount game, or at least enough to push the numbers north again.
The cynic in me thinks that the move the manufacturer makes here - and I'm confident McFarlane is already doing it - is to deliberately under serve demand of the next wave or two and whip up a little FOMO and desperation in the base. Get rid of the mentality people have of "I'll just wait for clearance, thanks" After a wave or two where there is no Clearance - customers start pre-ordering again and stop playing the discount game, or at least enough to push the numbers north again.
They can try to play social-engineer all they want, but Todd I think has a better grasp on a collector's mindset than Hasbro. Hasbro routinely comes across as "what's the most we can screw the plebs out of," while Todd at least partially plays the "advocate" for the community by trying to stick to certain pricing, or doing interviews where he'll address things people are complaining about. We don't always get the answer we want right away but usually he'll come around later on things like side-eye and female figures etc. Granted Todd is doing things like charging more for popular characters that come with less on occasion, but I don't see it as routinely as I do with Hasbro. Hasbro may be throttling production down as you say, but I'd argue that not being able to get Lilith or a 4th release of someone like Voodoo or MoonKnight isn't going to move the needle for most collectors. If they're worried about making money they should be providing those "evergreen" figures that people even on here routinely complain about not being able to get, rather than focusing on characters most folks don't even know exist and then limiting production of them.
There are plenty of folks who genuinely walk away out of frustration rather playing the FOMO game. Even I, as a collector/addict, recognize there's only so much I'll put up with before I'm out, as is the case with Star Wars Black Series for the most part. And no amount of limited release overpriced obscure character choice is going to reverse that. So while they may aim to create frenzy over figures despite waning sales, I'd argue they're really just creating apathy among the collectors they still have for the time being.
Is scaling back production to match demand really playing social engineer? Or just being a totally normal business?
@jtmarsh So, i'd argue Todd is playing exactly the same game - but "it's different" because Todd's listening(?) and doing it with "characters people want"?
It's the same exact tactic and if the anecdotal evidence of the threads on this board are anything to judge by - it's working. The DC thread here for a minute had devolved into a pretty negative space, but lately it's a lot of eager posts about people ordering the same figure 4 times (!) to try and get the variant they prefer and people eagerly engaging in day 1 preorders on his web site because the figures are no longer easily findable at every local retailer and certainly no guarantee to be found on clearance like they were a year or two ago.
I guarantee you Todd is actually selling fewer units than he was - but he's got his fans attention again. Hasbro is going to move in the same direction. Will some customers bow out out of frustrations - maybe, probably. But I think there are plenty that will re-engage and stop taking "buy it at clearance" for granted.
Yup, let’s a get a classic Lilith Drake / classic Dracula two-pack!! Lilith has never been made ever before, nor has the Colan version of Dracula. Lilith should be Earl Norem style, though.
Word.
Todd gets the collector market in the same way the comics industry did in the 90s. That went well.
Despite preferring a classic Dracula, I just want to say how grateful I am for this wave!! I am getting more and more excited for “battle-ready” Dracula, who honestly I cannot wait to have and will probably be my favorite ML of all time until classic Count comes out. Two more massive world-beater supernatural threats in Blackheart and Lilith, Son of frigging Satan, Fist of Khonshu Moony, Storm a punk-rock vampire!?! Just so damn exciting. This wave will probably hit concurrently with Man-Thing, Danny GR AND the Cabal, which will make it the greatest single epoch in Marvel Legends for me EVER.
Thank you, Hasbro, for delving into the dark side. PLEASE don’t stop!!!!
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