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ย to be fair this style of shading on Daredevil is far more accurate to the comics than the tv show. So if you're looking for a truly classic DD figure, it doesn't get much more classic than this.
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I know it's accurate to some sources, I even said it was accurate to the F4 cartoon in that post, but it is marketed as being from the Spider-Man cartoon specifically.
Still, I'm glad it works for somebody here! Especially since I wasn't really likely to get this set, even if DD were accurately painted.
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I've actually been pondering picking up the Animated Venom because I really like the cel-shading/highlights on him. Probably gonna go for a knock-off after Chinese New Year is over because no way is that figure worth what some people are asking right now.
It's a pretty nice figure. I know the red and blue highlighting doesn't work for some people, but I think it came out quite nice. Hope that knock-off is a solid substitute. Even having the official one, it a little soft and gummy in places.
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ย to be fair this style of shading on Daredevil is far more accurate to the comics than the tv show. So if you're looking for a truly classic DD figure, it doesn't get much more classic than this.
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I know it's accurate to some sources, I even said it was accurate to the F4 cartoon in that post, but it is marketed as being from the Spider-Man cartoon specifically.
Still, I'm glad it works for somebody here! Especially since I wasn't really likely to get this set, even if DD were accurately painted.
if you look at some of the images of the figure really closely, you can see elements of crosshatching shading and stippling, which is a far more common practice in comic books than in American hand drawn animation, since its very hard to replicate that kind of process frame by frame for a cartoon. But still it instantly takes me back to the likes of John Romita Jr, Frank Miller, Gene Colon, Alex Maleev and Scott Mcdaniel when I see this kind of shading. Im so glad it was included. For Hasbro to include that tiny bit of extra effort on the figure makes it feel really authentic to the source material.
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Simple. You don't have to paint Hydroman. I like it, especially if you display himย with new "Water Blue" effects from Bandai.
... Because no one really asked about that Haslab Doom Head...
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That's the first I've seen of those water effects and they look awesome! Second, I finally moved the HasLab Doom head back to the box. That really should have been a joke played on Jesse Falcon and not on us. That is SO MUCH wasted plastic with absolutely no purpose. Wish it was effects like CanofBeams is doing for Galactus or another herald. I know, old sentiment, but I just gave up on making it useful.
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I've actually been pondering picking up the Animated Venom because I really like the cel-shading/highlights on him. Probably gonna go for a knock-off after Chinese New Year is over because no way is that figure worth what some people are asking right now.
I have the KO animated Venom. It feels pretty lousy, lots of loose joints, particularly the butterfly shoulders, waist, I think ab hinge as well. It looks the part but feels like it could fall apart!
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I don't really like the 90s Marvel Animated stuff or cel shading but why would they not cel shade that HyrdoMan with a 2nd tone of blue? Other than skimping on budget of course. Would give it more of a water sheen. They keep thinking translucent figures need zero paint and that isn't the case. Giving them more depth with minimal paint is the way to go. All these translucent Iceman would look better with a very thin frosting of white texture.
I have to say -ย I was shocked to see in the facebook figure groups I read nearly everyone complaining about Hydroman and saying they only want the Daredevil.ย ย Really?ย ย Just post after post saying Daredevil should have been released alone on a retro card so they wouldn't have to buy the useless Hydro Man.ย ย ย I was surprised, since it's the opposite of my feelings on this.
ยCel shading appears. Then it goes away. Then sculpts are Animated specific. Then VHS packages appear. Then they pivot to retro carded waves mixing modern & retro characters. Then cel shading comes back, along with VHS.
It's so flip-floppy it's unbelievable.ย Even within a three pack (Spidey's Amazing Friends) they can't decided if it's going to be cell shaded or not!ย Are you kidding me?ย They're created to be a set......to be displayed together!
Whenever Hasbro pulls a totally baffling move like this I ask myself, "What's the money-saving angle?"ย That usually answers all my questions.ย I still don't get this one.ย How does purposeful inconsistency save them money?
The inconsistency is ridiculous.
Despite the fact that I like these figures, I'm on the fence because they would be the only ones I have with the VHS packaging.ย
Geez louise.
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I like that hydro man, Iโd have liked him more though if he came with at least one of the other figures arms.
I was more wondering what's the money saving angle with making a whole line of animated figures and only cell shading 50% of them?ย How does this inconsistency save them money?ย And if the inconsistency isn't a money saving issue, then what's the reason?
I think "ัell shading 50% of them" is not about saving money (well...part of it is for sure), but people's reaction to their X-Men VHS line. Most people didn't like what they were doing with that line, so they decided to stop. Now, the only ัell-shaded figures you have are Symbiote Spider-Man (so they can re-release it later without shading, Secret Wars, etc) And this new Daredevil (they already released him without it).
Also, Dan Yun already said: "shading will only be on characters that make sense to have it". With Venom and Daredevil it was a big part of these characters design. Something that you can't ignore.ย
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Again, if you look closely at this new Daredevil, you can clearly see crosshatching. That is quite different than cel shading a hand drawn acetate or animation cel. Hatching is a technique only found in comics because its borderline to achieve really detailed shading in animation with hatchmarks and lines when you have to draw up to 24 images sequential images just to account for a single seconds worth of footage. So this new Daredevil figure has a comic book inspired paint job. Hasbro only used the VHS line as a vehicle to release this one new Daredevil that happens to be a super accurate comic release.
I was more wondering what's the money saving angle with making a whole line of animated figures and only cell shading 50% of them?ย How does this inconsistency save them money?ย And if the inconsistency isn't a money saving issue, then what's the reason?
I think "ัell shading 50% of them" is not about saving money (well...part of it is for sure), but people's reaction to their X-Men VHS line. Most people didn't like what they were doing with that line, so they decided to stop. Now, the only ัell-shaded figures you have are Symbiote Spider-Man (so they can re-release it later without shading, Secret Wars, etc) And this new Daredevil (they already released him without it).
Also, Dan Yun already said: "shading will only be on characters that make sense to have it". With Venom and Daredevil it was a big part of these characters design. Something that you can't ignore.ย
My biggest concern isn't the shading, it's that they won't release characters important to the animated series. Like Mysterio, Vulture, Chameleon. They all have unique design. You can't just put comic Mysterio with the rest of the Insidious Six and say, "yeah, it works." Rhino is...okay, Shocker is maybe, but Vulture? Chameleon? Nope. So your team is AGAIN incomplete.ย
Exactly. It's a way to sell you the same sculpt again. I get that they are under intense scrutiny to keep margins and in addition to licensing fees, Hasbro has huge overhead. Of course they will make mistakes with lines that don't sell, and they have to make figures for movies that don't end up selling toys. And their retail partners are not great (Target & WM - ewww). That's tough and I don't envy their jobs.
But in recent years they are really making unforgiveable mistakes and it's seriously damaging the Legends brand; wrong time to manage the line so badly when there are outside forces pushing price increases, etc..
Why was the X-Men Animated VHS line only at Pulse & Disney Store? That alone might've killed it, but the cel shading should've been tested on a solo hero before they launched a whole team line that people expect to have completed, and never will be (at least in 1/12 scale - they knew they couldn't package Beast in one of those boxes BEFORE the line launched!).
And I see zero logic in the Spidey line when it comes to cel-shaded vs regular deco. Kraven is a good example - the colors are totally ToyBiz, why no cel shading? Because the color scheme is good enough. Do animated Aunt May or Mary Jane have cel-shading? No. But Ock does (minimal, but it's there). Goblin does not, and neither do Peter and Smythe.
To me an "animated" line should have cel shading (which I hate, but I get people dig it) and / or series style guide specific sculpts. The rest of them are just retro carded (or retro VHS, I guess) comic figures that have zilch to to do with animation.
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Both animated lines have been a prime example of "half assed." Hasbro really isn't equipped to deliver on such a specific product. Their business model is creating a basic set of tools that can then be utilized for the vast majority of their characters. And they deliver them in a homogenized way where the goal is really to be source agnostic - to a point. Obviously the live action characters need to reflect the likeness of an actor, but the rest isn't exactly era specific, artist specific, or anything like that beyond the obvious. To do a proper X-Men or Spider-Man animated line you have to do what other companies do with their IP and it requires more unique tooling, not just for the figure itself, but show specific accessories. It requires more paint apps to evoke that animated look and it's just all stuff that doesn't really work for Hasbro. It must sell reasonably well though because they keep doing it and I doubt it's because Marvel is demanding Hasbro acknowledge these old shows, but I could be wrong.
Morbius and Blade would be great two pack.
HobGoblin and Black Cat or Felicia is another one.
We also need Vulture and Chameleon.
Morbius and Blade would be great two pack.
HobGoblin and Black Cat or Felicia is another one.
We also need Vulture and Chameleon.
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Agreed - also hoping for a Punisher & Man-Spider (or a 6 arm Spider-Man) 2 packย
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