Alright, I have to come here and vent. Maybe I can bounce my crazy off you guys and someone can tell me to chill lol.
Anyways, my gut involving the MCU Legends line is killing me! I just can't shake this eerie feeling. I know we've got NWH on pre-order but it just feels like there has been such a lull in the MCU figure world from Hasbro. Like the team has lost its interests or passion for the MCU.
Out of the two current projects we've got, The Marvels has its 3 figures which are great but yet again no villian, which continues to feel like a step backwards from what phase 3 and the Infinity Saga 10 years had corrected. And then Loki Season 2 has absolutely zero figure representation, radio silence from Hasbro. The main cast has become even more deserving of figures. They may as well go all in on Kang variants with adding Timely. Ravonna, B15, O.B.... Loki's new look. Then with WBN coming out in color a whole year later you'd think we'd see something from that. Throw in an Echo since we already know how she looks and her show is right around the corner. I just don't get it.
And now that everything has been pushed to 2025 this could be the perfect opportunity for Hasbro to go back and start filling holes. But I know in my gut they won't. They'll probably focus on the animated crap instead.
I know a lot of people have turned their back on the MCU and maybe that is starting to show in sales. I guess a lot of people aren't up for giving second chances. It's clear to me that the MCU is attempting to get itself back to its glory days and I believe they can but with such a finicky fan base at what cost will it take? The loss of Legends? Heck, even some of you who I've collected MCU alongside for a decade now have reeled back on your collecting. It's disheartening.
I don't know, maybe I'm spiraling. This Legends line has admittedly become an obsession but some days it gets me by when nothing else does. To be able to come home and just admire my collection or day dream about who may come next. It would genuinely hurt my soul to see it end.
Somebody tell me I'm being dramatic please.
@joshuakat I do think you're being dramatic, but I also get it. I've had those fleeting thoughts myself as well. The "we'll never get so-and-so because we missed the window", or whatever. Not that those thoughts are without precendence, but you know.
I do think the gap will only mean good things for Legends. Perhaps that's just wishful thinking, but still. One of the reasons Hasbro always says they don't have figures for something on time is because Marvel is rather hush-hush when it comes to spoilers, or they're selective with what they share. I'm sure they treated Loki s2 or The Marvels with at least a comparable amount of secrecy as NWH (okay, maybe not that much, but you know what I mean). Other than a few bits here and there, The Marvels didn't need much secrecy. One of the things that always seems to change the most over the course of production is the villain- either their look, motivation, whatever, and that leads to them not always being made with the rest of the wave, and if the movie isn't well received, sometimes that means they don't think there's interest there for the villain. Hopefully that'll lessen a bit, now that they're supposedly re-doing how they do movies and shows and being a bit more thoughtful. So hopefully that'll include bringing Hasbro into the mix either a little earlier in the creative process (but still late enough that designs are finalized).
Hasbro also isn't omniscient. They don't know what's going to be a hit and what's not, and I think that they're unfortunately past the "try it and see" phase. With Eternals they took a big risk, and lost pretty badly. You could argue the same for the Black Panther Legacy line, Thor 4, Quantumania, etc. With exceptions, of course (Guardians vol. 3), I do think they're backing away from necessarily going all-in on movies until they know whether or not the demand is there. I do think this might mean that certain characters we may have liked from movies we didn't necessarily like might be relegated to those catch-up waves, if at all.
The constant shifting dates, even before the strikes, probably wasn't helping things either. With Shang-Chi, the figures sat on the shelves for a good long while before (and even after) the movie. I'm sure that lost Hasbro a good amount of money. So now they're going to be more selective with release dates, and maybe hold off altogether unless they absolutely know whether something is coming out or not.
The Disney Plus waves have always been a bit weird, though. The Moon Knight wave was revealed and released in such a piecemeal manner, and the Agatha wave was made up of things that aired years ago, 2 that were airing currently, and 2 that had yet to air at all. The D+ waves have seemed a bit experimental to me- they have enough to release dedicated lines for each show, but they want to cover as many shows as possible. Which is admirable, but often means that someone gets short shrift.
So I think a lot of things are in flux right now. Not only with Marvel and Hasbro, but the collectors as well. Prices are only going up, and I do feel like people are taking a step back to re-evaluate what is and isn't necessary. Some things we'll always grab- Spider-Man always sells, for instance, and Iron Man. But many don't necessarily need 4 or more Captain Marvels, or a handful of Thors. Every franchise will have its diehard fans, granted, but the general population doesn't always get every figure from a wave, especially if they already have "insert-character-here at home".
While us diehard collectors don't make up the entirety of the market, we do make up a large amount, and we're starting to get wise, or at least more vocal, about the cut corners we're seeing. Either the product that the figure is based on is iffy, so we don't feel as much need to get it, or we recognize that a figure is either primarily re-use or a downgrade from the previous one, and so we don't pick it up. I mean, who in the general population would know, or even necessarily care, that a figure has single joints versus double? Or pinless joints? But we know, and sometimes it stops us from picking something up. And more often than not, the message that is sent is that "X character doesn't sell", which, unless it's a big name like Spidey, Cap, Tony, etc., might deter them from making more side characters down the line, unless there's heavy re-use involved that saves them money, but then that leads to fan outcry. A vicious circle.
All this is to say that I don't necessarily think we're losing Legends any time soon. And I do think, or would like to think, that the time off means circling back. At the very least, I hope it means that whenever they do get around to releasing the next Cap, or Blade, or F4, that the product is accurate and good quality.
It's a time of flux for everyone right now. The MCU is experiencing a bit of a dip in quality and attendance, but I think that's natural for any property. But the thing will come along that will revive it, and interest in it. I think the extra time can only work in their favor- give them more time to churn out quality products. I think they know how anticipated Blade and Fantastic Four are, and they don't want to fumble. If all works out, it could certainly revive the franchise and people's interest.
I, for one, am cautiously optimistic at what 2024 could mean for us in terms of figures. They're going to want to fill the gap with something, and they're always talking about how they're overwhelmed with the new projects, so now's the perfect time to look back. Sure, it could be another anniversary wave like we're seeing now that's primarily re-use/redone figures. But I'm hoping for more. Give us a missing MCU villain wave, Hasbro! There's certainly enough characters for a wave! I'm sure we'll see Loki s2 characters- it's getting great reviews, and there's lots of reuse possibilities, which Hasbro loves.
All in all, Legends still sell. When they have a hit, they have a hit. I think the NWH wave will be a smash, and we know that Electro and Lizard are being planned for something as well, so the wheels are certainly in motion. Look how long it took for them to show off the NWH wave, but it was unanimous love when they did. Hasbro is gonna want some money in 2024, and they certainly need the good will of the fans. The Hasbro Marvel team certainly seems more in-tune with the fans than some of the other departments, so I think we're okay. Marvel is taking a step back, and Hasbro will too, I'm sure, to get back in touch. It might mean less releases, but hopefully stronger ones as well. In the meantime, let's enjoy the silence, ride the hype and excitement of possibility, and let our wallets breath a bit!
I think expectations need to be reset for this gap. Figures take like a year or more from planning to production. So they more than likely don't have much time to create a bunch of new figures they didn't account for. If we get anything, maybe some easy figures they already have the basis for. Like maybe they repaint that Destroyer they just did in movie colors, or maybe an easy Iron Man repaint or maybe outside shot at an easy character to do like a Kaecilius out of the old Mordo. But even there, I don't think we're getting this huge plethora of new figures during this delay. Next year just might be a light year on the MCU front. Deadpool wave prob around May, and since Cap is a Feb movie now, maybe that wave is now a Nov/Dec wave. Then there is a likely D+ wave. I hope there is 2 of them, but given the light amount of content on D+ next year, probably going to be 1 and maybe a 2nd X-Men 97 wave like they hinted at before. That's just what I am expecting. Maybe we get a High Evolutionary or something as an exclusive like they did Wanda
@e-rock For sure. I'm not expecting them to go back and re-do every missing character, or even a substantial amount. If we get any figures at all, I definitely think it'll be toward mid-to-late 2024. They need time to re-shuffle their board as well. I'm sure they were already planning on things for Cap, but now that they're pushing that back, they're going to want to fill the gap with something. Be that new figures or just easy repaints like we're getting now. Maybe they were already planning on releasing some make-up figures from the shows or movies, and now they're moving that wave up a bit. Could be anything, could be nothing. Only time will tell.
Can't remember who, but someone from the Marvel team did say they were taking the rest of November off in terms of reveals. Maybe now that the strike has ended and the schedule shifted, they'll take the rest of this month, or start next month, on what their new 2024 plan will be.
@joshsquash729 Thanks! That was rather uplifting. I'm sure you're right on a lot of that. This break seems like a good thing for the MCU so it stands to reason it'll be good for Legends too. I feel like Loki s2 and The Marvels were great and they've both really reinvigorated my curiosity on where this saga is going. Naturally, the great projects only make me want figures even more. Sometimes I question Hasbro's choices but like you said, there have been a lot of outside obsticals along the way lately. Hopefully Hasbro and Disney can find that perfect balance of character selection, accuracy, quality, and timing. I don't envy them.
How funny that the only answer to any of this is "time" time will tell.
So many things to respond to in the MCU thread, I'm gonna savor this!
Alright, I have to come here and vent. Maybe I can bounce my crazy off you guys and someone can tell me to chill lol.
Or we can be crazy together!
Anyways, my gut involving the MCU Legends line is killing me! I just can't shake this eerie feeling. I know we've got NWH on pre-order but it just feels like there has been such a lull in the MCU figure world from Hasbro. Like the team has lost its interests or passion for the MCU.
I'm not sure how much passion they ever really had. I think things like Hugh Jackman and Tobey Maguire are exciting for them, but with Marvel Studios not being the blockbuster machine it was not so long ago maybe Hasbro is taking the opportunity to chill out on the figures for these projects. Maybe the Disney Plus waves didn't do as well by Hasbro's metrics so they're easing off that, I dunno. But it's funny because the wave you name as having on preorder is from two years ago!
Out of the two current projects we've got, The Marvels has its 3 figures which are great but yet again no villian, which continues to feel like a step backwards from what phase 3 and the Infinity Saga 10 years had corrected. And then Loki Season 2 has absolutely zero figure representation, radio silence from Hasbro. The main cast has become even more deserving of figures. They may as well go all in on Kang variants with adding Timely. Ravonna, B15, O.B.... Loki's new look. Then with WBN coming out in color a whole year later you'd think we'd see something from that. Throw in an Echo since we already know how she looks and her show is right around the corner. I just don't get it.
Yeah the villain thing I just can't argue against. Hasbro has always had a problem with that. We'll get a couple one after another, then nothing for a year. Phase 3 and those anniversary series was definitely the golden age of the MCU and MCU Legends. And I've mentioned plenty of projects I've downright loved from Phase 4 onward, so it's not a total slam on that. I think the quality isn't really much worse than how phases 1 and 2 averaged out.
But yeah, the extreme coverage from Legends on D+ projects seems to really be falling off. But maybe in a couple years we'll get a wave with Loki, Echo, Ironheart, and some Daredevil characters.
And now that everything has been pushed to 2025 this could be the perfect opportunity for Hasbro to go back and start filling holes. But I know in my gut they won't. They'll probably focus on the animated crap instead.
I agree with your gut. Maybe a wave of quick repaints with a couple of new heads in there. Civil War Black Widow, battle damaged Iron Man mk 3, etc.
I know a lot of people have turned their back on the MCU and maybe that is starting to show in sales. I guess a lot of people aren't up for giving second chances. It's clear to me that the MCU is attempting to get itself back to its glory days and I believe they can but with such a finicky fan base at what cost will it take? The loss of Legends? Heck, even some of you who I've collected MCU alongside for a decade now have reeled back on your collecting. It's disheartening.
I'm afraid I am fitting into that finicky group, but it's not entirely to blame on the quality of the projects lately. Some I've really loved, some I am really excited for, but I've loathed the theater experience even before the pandemic and now it's kinda... done for me. If they release movies with the FNAF method from now on, yes I will pay to stream it that weekend for every Marvel movie. I love seeing them right away and being able to discuss with other nerds I've never met in person. But it's not worth going to the theater for me 95% of the time.
And I'm definitely one of those you mentioned that has reeled back a lot on Legends. My shelf has literal gaps throughout as I patiently await mutants and the FF to get figures. I still love seeing new figures but had to stifle myself a lot on the spending.
I don't know, maybe I'm spiraling. This Legends line has admittedly become an obsession but some days it gets me by when nothing else does. To be able to come home and just admire my collection or day dream about who may come next. It would genuinely hurt my soul to see it end.
Somebody tell me I'm being dramatic please.
Maybe you are but I don't blame you for it. Spiraling, yeah I think so. I think I went through a very similar thing right before creating a ton of listings on ebay and drastically shortening my wishlist. Part of why I did that was absolutely from squinting down the road and guessing at what I'm seeing. I totally get what you're saying about it getting you by when nothing else does, I really feel that. Some days I get out of bed and go directly to the shelf to just repose or shuffle the order around for five minutes. It's a nice, harmless focusing tool that gets me ready for the day. Fortunately, I have Black Series to fall back on and it's actually taken up a lot of my collecting slack loosened up by Legends.
So, I get that this is more than just "I want my plastic people!" I think a lot of us here deal with internal stuff by collecting these figures and it shouldn't be surprising when you have a reaction like this to a lull or even possible cutbacks on releases.
I'm not sure where I was going with that. Maybe I'm finished.
@joshuakat I do think you're being dramatic, but I also get it. I've had those fleeting thoughts myself as well. The "we'll never get so-and-so because we missed the window", or whatever. Not that those thoughts are without precendence, but you know.
I do think the gap will only mean good things for Legends. Perhaps that's just wishful thinking, but still. One of the reasons Hasbro always says they don't have figures for something on time is because Marvel is rather hush-hush when it comes to spoilers, or they're selective with what they share. I'm sure they treated Loki s2 or The Marvels with at least a comparable amount of secrecy as NWH (okay, maybe not that much, but you know what I mean). Other than a few bits here and there, The Marvels didn't need much secrecy. One of the things that always seems to change the most over the course of production is the villain- either their look, motivation, whatever, and that leads to them not always being made with the rest of the wave, and if the movie isn't well received, sometimes that means they don't think there's interest there for the villain. Hopefully that'll lessen a bit, now that they're supposedly re-doing how they do movies and shows and being a bit more thoughtful. So hopefully that'll include bringing Hasbro into the mix either a little earlier in the creative process (but still late enough that designs are finalized).
I genuinely hope you're right about the good things coming. And I agree about how Marvel is secretive. The only figure I want from the Loki show is something of a spoiler, so I won't expect that one for at least another year.
Hasbro also isn't omniscient. They don't know what's going to be a hit and what's not, and I think that they're unfortunately past the "try it and see" phase. With Eternals they took a big risk, and lost pretty badly. You could argue the same for the Black Panther Legacy line, Thor 4, Quantumania, etc. With exceptions, of course (Guardians vol. 3), I do think they're backing away from necessarily going all-in on movies until they know whether or not the demand is there. I do think this might mean that certain characters we may have liked from movies we didn't necessarily like might be relegated to those catch-up waves, if at all.
Yeah, Eternals is always a big example. I loved the movie an went all in on the figures, but even I sold them all off eventually. Eternals was the first casualty in my new collecting outlook of 'I love the movie, but do I really need things from it on the shelf?'
And I for one am fine waiting a year or two, if that's the new standard. I assume it means more accuracy, and if the pictures of the NWH figures is anything to judge by, better sculpts etc. I'm completely down with that. But I would like Hasbro to make that clear. "We're doing it a new way where you have to wait longer for great quality, but they WILL be coming."
The constant shifting dates, even before the strikes, probably wasn't helping things either. With Shang-Chi, the figures sat on the shelves for a good long while before (and even after) the movie. I'm sure that lost Hasbro a good amount of money. So now they're going to be more selective with release dates, and maybe hold off altogether unless they absolutely know whether something is coming out or not.
Black Widow was the other one, while the Eternals waited in warehouses for ages to sit on pegs for ages.
I wonder if the answer is to view MCU figures as a bit more niche now. This would mean an even higher price, but I maybe a higher end six inch line? Not Figuarts price/quality, but something making the releases more special somehow? I haven't fleshed this idea out enough to articulate it well.
The Disney Plus waves have always been a bit weird, though. The Moon Knight wave was revealed and released in such a piecemeal manner, and the Agatha wave was made up of things that aired years ago, 2 that were airing currently, and 2 that had yet to air at all. The D+ waves have seemed a bit experimental to me- they have enough to release dedicated lines for each show, but they want to cover as many shows as possible. Which is admirable, but often means that someone gets short shrift.
Yeah, it was a weird experiment and I suspect one they feel didn't really work. For me it was fine because I don't care when they come out, but I get why it would be bad for other collectors. Also, it really screws up the concept of striking when the iron is hot. Some figures just aren't going to sell as well a year later because collectors may realize they only wanted it because it was the hot new thing a year ago. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I've been guilty of it plenty. I STILL get that pang of "ooo, new! I want". But I try to ignore it. And waiting a year or two for them to put out figures helps a lot.
So I think a lot of things are in flux right now. Not only with Marvel and Hasbro, but the collectors as well. Prices are only going up, and I do feel like people are taking a step back to re-evaluate what is and isn't necessary. Some things we'll always grab- Spider-Man always sells, for instance, and Iron Man. But many don't necessarily need 4 or more Captain Marvels, or a handful of Thors. Every franchise will have its diehard fans, granted, but the general population doesn't always get every figure from a wave, especially if they already have "insert-character-here at home".
Yeah.... this completely describes me, heh.
All this is to say that I don't necessarily think we're losing Legends any time soon. And I do think, or would like to think, that the time off means circling back. At the very least, I hope it means that whenever they do get around to releasing the next Cap, or Blade, or F4, that the product is accurate and good quality.
I agree on not losing Legends, and that things will be more accurate and better quality. And I'm for it, definitely. I think 2024 is gonna be a great time for comic style collectors at least.
It's a time of flux for everyone right now. The MCU is experiencing a bit of a dip in quality and attendance, but I think that's natural for any property. But the thing will come along that will revive it, and interest in it. I think the extra time can only work in their favor- give them more time to churn out quality products. I think they know how anticipated Blade and Fantastic Four are, and they don't want to fumble. If all works out, it could certainly revive the franchise and people's interest.
Agreed. We made it through the Pandemic, we can handle this as well.
I, for one, am cautiously optimistic at what 2024 could mean for us in terms of figures. They're going to want to fill the gap with something, and they're always talking about how they're overwhelmed with the new projects, so now's the perfect time to look back. Sure, it could be another anniversary wave like we're seeing now that's primarily re-use/redone figures. But I'm hoping for more. Give us a missing MCU villain wave, Hasbro! There's certainly enough characters for a wave! I'm sure we'll see Loki s2 characters- it's getting great reviews, and there's lots of reuse possibilities, which Hasbro loves.
I really admire your optimism though. I always took the 'we're so overwhelmed with new projects, we can't get to everything' as an empty excuse and felt they just didn't see a lot of this stuff as a priority.
A villain wave would be amazing though. Bring On The Bad Guys, MCU edition.
And I'd still take focused waves like, say, a Thor wave that could slip some Loki show figures in without anyone balking. a Captain America wave with some F&WS figures. Etc. There is just plenty when you have such a wide body of releases to pick from. I don't even care if they make it make sense anymore, just put out some missing figures.
@e-rock For sure. I'm not expecting them to go back and re-do every missing character, or even a substantial amount. If we get any figures at all, I definitely think it'll be toward mid-to-late 2024. They need time to re-shuffle their board as well. I'm sure they were already planning on things for Cap, but now that they're pushing that back, they're going to want to fill the gap with something. Be that new figures or just easy repaints like we're getting now. Maybe they were already planning on releasing some make-up figures from the shows or movies, and now they're moving that wave up a bit. Could be anything, could be nothing. Only time will tell.
Can't remember who, but someone from the Marvel team did say they were taking the rest of November off in terms of reveals. Maybe now that the strike has ended and the schedule shifted, they'll take the rest of this month, or start next month, on what their new 2024 plan will be.
And that's why I think shifting the line toward mixing old and new would be such a major benefit.
For example, they're planning a wave for Cap 4. Hypothetically, let's say the wave breaks down like this:
Sam
Bucky
Villain 1
Villain 2
new supporting hero
Karli Morgenthau
Battlestar
new large villain BAF
Movie's release date gets shifted, so they reshuffle and take those D+ figures out and put them in a new wave. If they always have figures in the works from older projects, then they always have something they can substitute for newly thought of waves to compensate for delayed movie releases. Because along with those two figures, they would presumably have a figure or two from Loki, Echo, and so on. Yeah I know I'm basically making a typical D+ wave but this could also work for something else. Say the Marvels wave was entirely movie, but the other four figures weren't even related to the movie. Just throw in makeup figures from GOTG3, or have Lizard as a BAF, who cares. Or that's where Fury and Talos went.
I just think the MCU side of Legends needs to be completely rethought. If they do it right, the delays in movie and show releases won't be felt as hard as they are now.
It would be wise to keep expectations in check regarding any sort of filler waves. Not saying there's no chance of it happening, but the delays were literally only announced a few days ago, while the turn around time for a newly sculpted figure is pretty lengthly. Case in point: we're only just now getting the rest of the No Way Home cast even though the movie was out in 2021.
To counter that, I'd be surprised if Hasbro didn't expect the strikes to affect release dates. At the same time, I fully expect a Deadpool 3 wave next year and no other MCU Legends releases.
Yeah, it's a weird time to be a collector. In good and bad ways. As prices go up and exclusives become harder and harder to get, there comes a point when you ask yourself what you really want and need to be happy. We've gotten characters and variants and waves we never would've gotten otherwise, which is awesome! I look at my shelf sometimes and think "Man, I still can't believe we got so-and-so". Other times I'll look at my shelf and go "Man, I can't believe I picked up so-and-so."
Everyone works differently, but as a person living in NY in a fairly small apartment, I only have so much space to work with, and I've had to be more and more clever with utilizing space, but there's only so many times I can switch to a bigger/wider shelf, so I've been a bit more careful with my selections recently. I've been going through everything I have, especially MCU, and asking myself I really need that charcter, or so many versions of that character. Especially with something like the MCU or Star Wars, where getting multiple versions of certain characters is a given, you gotta go through every so often and make room for new stuff. Only my "ideal" version of a character, and maybe one or two variants, need to remain.
This last Disney+ wave was the first time I actively either returned or didn't buy MCU figures, and it felt good. Some I'm still interested in, but not at full price. And I kinda hope it sticks this way for future waves (with exception, of course- I'm getting every NWH figure, no question). There's no end to the MCU in sight- probably not even in my life time- I gotta save space (and money) for what lies ahead.
But yes, the only wave I really expect next year is a Deadpool 3 wave, and even that I'm sure will have plenty of holes in it. I'm sure Marvel was quite secretive with everyone/everything other than Deadpool and Wolverine. But like Ru said, I think they knew the strikes would push things back. Nobody knew they'd go on as long as they did, granted, but after a while, you kinda just know. I'm not necessarily saying it means they'll plan a whole bunch of new stuff. Maybe only a few figures, or a 2 pack, or something, at most. But I do think it means they may move up whatever other make-up waves they already had plans for, if that makes sense.
@joshsquash729 yeah, now that you mention it, another factor for me cutting down was certainly the 'things you own end up owning you' concern. Meaning, this collection becomes a thing for it's own sake rather than pleasurable or calming. I realized the hobby was becoming a source of stress, and selling off the Eternals felt really good. Then I put a bunch away and didn't mind them being gone, so I sold those and felt even better. I'm down to ones I feel are essential to me, not because I like that movie or because I have this guy so it means I gotta have that one too. I even sold off my Guardians figures except Rocket and Nebula. Which still feels weird but also great.
Hasbro could (and should) make several filler MCU waves just for Iron Man. Iron Man sells!
Never got figures before:
Iron Man Mark 45
Iron Man— House Party armors! So many of them.
Whiplash (armored and racetrack)
Hammer Drones
Justin Hammer
Killian
War Machine (Infinity War)
Fun redo candidates:
Iron Man Mark 1
Iron Man Mark 5
Iron Man Mark 42
Iron Man Mark 50 (Infinity War—the figure is ok but I feel like the proportions could be improved).
Iron Patriot
War Machine Mark 1
I’d get them all!
@akatsuki I agree with all that. Also:
War Machine 6 (from Endgame, the one they did was concept art)
I also feel Iron Man 4 and 6 deserve new molds, and wouldn't share as much as the 2 and 3 but most of it at least.
With the House Party armors, if they were smart about it rather than just whipping out whatever repaint they could... there are a handful of bodies they could do molds of that, if they kitbash from those five or so, they could knock out most of the legion. There are a few specialized ones that don't share any parts, but a majority of them could be done that way at least.
And that could offer repaints for life!
@ru1977 Yes, definitely agree on Iron Man Marks 4 and 6. Which also get you the parts to a comic accurate Iron Patriot!
And I completely agree about the House Party armors. I did seem like you could make most of the suits by mixing up and matching parts and repainting just a few different sculpts.
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