Have the people who seem to have a deep interest in this topic and have spent hours analysing why they believe this won't fund or why it isn't funding, actually backed it?
I usually wait until the end because that's also my habit with auctions. There's not a lot of sense to it since the price of a HasLab doesn't keep going up like auctions do, but it's a habit I've had for decades and I tend to just stick with it since it has made me so much money buying comics on eBay.
But this time I did back it a week or so ago. I noticed the count was rising too slowly to get funded easily, so I put up my stake in the spirit of getting it closer to the goal. It was clear with Sentinel and Galactus they were going to fund so I had no reason to back those early.
As far as I can tell (I've been tracking these with CANPRIME since it started) The G.I. Joe Skystriker finally hit the Production goal of 10k on the LAST day, then everyone jumped on board and they ended the campaign with 16,797 backers. That got them Production, Goal 1 & Goal 2, but missed out on unlocking Goal 3 (2x Pit crew figures).
Much like this one, it was a nail-biter. The last day started with 7,826.
I've only watched the Marvel and Star Wars campaigns closely so that's great to hear...hope that pattern repeats here as well!
An order limit makes sense to prevent people from using a fake credit card to jack up the backer count to help it get funded.
People were encouraging other people to order extra ghost rider cars and canceling their orders on the last day in an effort to spur others to order. Some people take their toys too seriously
I backed a few days ago, I was going to wait and see if it looked like either of the tiers would unlock and justify picking up a second, but as EC said the numbers were rising slowly and I wanted to try and give it the mental boost of seeing it get closer.
Yeah I just don't understand the cap on orders
Im pretty sure the caps are there to prevent someone from doing something like ordering 10k units to push the haslab through, then canceling at the last minute.
I got my order in, but am not finding myself as invested as I was with the Sentinel & Galactus. If it funds, cool! If not, I’ll blow that money on more stuff the Cyberzoic Kickstarter instead.
Sentinel had an order limit of 5 as well, I believe all haslabs have had itIt did not. When Sentinel ran Pulse had no item ordering limits on anything--Haslabs or regular products. Pretty sure it wasn't a feature in the version of Shopify they had at the time, which is the e-commerce software the site is built upon. Or maybe they just didn't know how to configure it at the time, not really sure why they didn't have any ordering limits back then. The limits started kicking in on other regular Pulse items a few months before Galactus ran, and then it applied to Galactus.
I still don't get why they put the ordering limit on Haslabs. I'm guessing it's to make it difficult for retailers to get it, but why do they care about that at all? If BBTS or EE want to speculate they can sell it at a markup then let them. Usually they sell to retailers well below MSRP, so I would think them not making Haslabs available to retailers just means not giving them their usual wholesale price break.
The Limit 5 on HasLabs has existed since the Khetanna. Back then I think you could loophole it by making separate orders of 5 on the same account, but it’s definitely Limit 5 per Pulse account now. There are still existing loopholes though as I placed an order for one Giant-Man on Day 1 and then a subsequent order for five more on Day 35. I tried another 5 on Day 40 but was prompted with the limit warning by then. I’ve definitely skirted Pulses limit mandates by placing separate orders before on non-HasLab items, most recently with Classified Chuckles.
@alkatrazzz What's the policy on cancellations? 24 hours? If there are no cancellations once the timer for backing runs out, then having a cap makes no sense. If you have ANY time to cancel, then the game changes. You and I could go and order 1500 each right now, we force the campaign to fund, putting Hasbro on the hook to go into production. As soon as the timer runs out on the campaign, we could cancel 1499 units. Hasbro still has to go into production with significantly less units.
Every HASLAB has ebbs and tides AFTER the closing bell.. sometimes the final number flexes by hundreds of units. That funding goal may take the cancellations into consideration.
example: Galactus at the bell had 30,797. The next day..32,428.
Sentinel at the bell had 22,586.. next day 21,887
They haven't left the counter running since the Proton pack, but everything before that, went down by a couple hundred units in the following days after it closed (except Galactus, of course).
If this doesn't fund, which I'm sure it will, maybe the message should be stop locking high-end figures in HasLabs and put premium items back in stores!
Giant-Man would look cool on a retail shelf. He's got name recognition - he just had a MOVIE this year.
If Target will carry Captain Carter's shield and just throw it wherever it fits on the aisle (it doesn't), why not Giant-Man?
I know this ignores Hasbro's 100% keeping of all profits that a HasLab provides them, while not even putting their own production money down, so they wouldn't like it, but maybe the market is telling them the market for these items isn't HasLab exclusivity. And they should make it work with retail.
The Limit 5 on HasLabs has existed since the Khetanna. Back then I think you could loophole it by making separate orders of 5 on the same account, but it’s definitely Limit 5 per Pulse account now.
Yep, this jogged my memory was to why a few of us were disagreeing about how that used to work--it was easy to defeat the 5 item order limit before Galactus by simply placing as many orders as you wanted. There are pics out there of a Hong Kong collector who ordered something like 25 Sentinels on 5 orders. He documented it with photos of a stack of the boxes in his house as well as pics of what a huge Sentinel army looks like.
Related to this Target works the same way today that Pulse used to work before Galactus. Target often puts order limits on figures, but it's trivial to circumvent the limit by just placing multiple orders.
I say this with no snarkiness. If 10K people are struggling to commit to Giant-Man when there has been over a month to think about it and set money aside, why would retail be more successful? Aside from the “wait for clearance” possibility, does a 200 dollar Giant-Man seem like a reasonable impulse buy?
Because that's how retail used to work for decades. The Khetanna - sure, retail won't want that. And yet they ordered multiple runs of the Millennium Falcon.
For something that is just a big figure - like Giant-Man - there's no reason it HAS to be a HasLab. That's what I'm saying.
I wish it was at retail, just so I could get it on clearance 🤣 😆 🤣
The Limit 5 on HasLabs has existed since the Khetanna. Back then I think you could loophole it by making separate orders of 5 on the same account, but it’s definitely Limit 5 per Pulse account now.
Yep, this jogged my memory was to why a few of us were disagreeing about how that used to work--it was easy to defeat the 5 item order limit before Galactus by simply placing as many orders as you wanted. There are pics out there of a Hong Kong collector who ordered something like 25 Sentinels on 5 orders. He documented it with photos of a stack of the boxes in his house as well as pics of what a huge Sentinel army looks like.
Related to this Target works the same way today that Pulse used to work before Galactus. Target often puts order limits on figures, but it's trivial to circumvent the limit by just placing multiple orders.
Yeah, Target’s is a little more nuanced, you actually have to wait until it ships before you can place another order to skirt the limit. Sometimes it’s locked to shipment received even, but yeah, it’s a loose limit mandate.
@darkxorn Yeah. Do you associate anal rentitiveness and hyper-analysis and talking about regression math with negativity or wishing failure on people as disposition?
This is just autism spectrum behavior.
I mean, sure, I've wished failure on people before. But not because I wish failure on everyone or even the same people consistently. But because I didn't feel their approach was autism spectrum-y enough and I wanted the market to guide everyone in that direction.
There are absolutely a-holes who wish failure on everyone and who want this to fail but I guarantee you the people who want everything to fail (rather than specific things for specific reasons) aren't sitting around talking about business strategy or data regression models. They're off making memes on Facebook groups with Rancor and Cookie Monster alongside Giant-Man.
And at this point, I'd wager everyone in this thread who is writing more than three paragraph posts backed this, wanted to but couldn't afford to, or would never have backed this because it's not for them.
Anybody who's just generally sour at Hasbro or Marvel isn't going to be running numbers through a calculator. You're talking, I suspect, to people who approach their favorite things with this kind if hyper-critical hyper-analysis, who want to calculate and share their favorite team's odds even when they're not good because statistical accuracy is exciting.
If somebody wanted to dump on this thing, like I say, a meme's easier and will get thousands of times the engagement as a text salad. If all someone wants is high fives for crapping on something, they don't need to post an essay on a forum that probably gets a quarter the activity that it did six months ago when a crude jpeg of Hank Pym's head on a Rancor body would probably get 3000 likes in the next 24 hours. People who put effort into negativity generally aren't just negative for popularity or because they hate happiness. Those kinds of people don't need to write dissertations to get what they want.
Anyway, I backed this. It'd be cool if it funds. But I'm thinking as of right now that we're trending towards a bit shy of 9,000. Better than I thought a few days ago but not enough.
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