They need to show a classic Wasp for standard release & add some sort of a creative special effect stand for the Wasp into the Haslab.

Posted by: @onetwelfthghoul

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They need to show a classic Wasp for standard release & add some sort of a creative special effect stand for the Wasp into the Haslab.

100% this.

Something that hooks into/around his harness might work. But does it come with her or him? It would be super nice for a figure who flies to come with their own flight stand.

@aleks 

Yeah the problem with the upcoming 10/27 Hasbro event, which will probably have a bunch of new reveals, is that it is after the Giant-Man funding ends.  So if they show anything new/related to Giant-Man it will be too late.  That leave NYCC as their last big push to show something new/related to Giant-Man before it ends. 

There will be a lot of attendees at NYCC so that should help when they show it off, but the question is will it move the needle any?

I still think there are a bunch of backers just waiting to see if the ML team will sweeten the pot.   Also as others have pointed out the value is pretty good.  I mean it is close to what you have to pay for the BAF nowadays so why not get a bigger, newer figure?

If it doesn't fund we probably won't see any comic Giant-Man, or large (BAF/Deluxe) character like Giant-Man for a while since he is arguably the most popular of those characters.

I just don't think Hank Pym is that big of a character and the team doesn't seem to show much enthusiasm and here's the big thing:

It was ALWAYS about the 6 inch figures.

The wrong lesson was learned from EoV: It wasn't about the figures. It's that they didn't really have anything narratively connecting them aside from (loosely) Mephisto and they had no play pattern with the car. We didn't even get a picture of multiple figures IN the car.

The big stuff is only a part of the appeal for us.

Putting WAVES on Haslab would fund better than BIG STUFF. You just need those waves to have a very tight play pattern.

"Cosmic Heroes"? Hell no. That's too broad to lock into a big purchase.

The X-Men in baseball gear with a backyard cookout diorama? Hell yes.

"Marvel Knights"? Too broad.

Marvel Swimsuit Special? Maybe.

Dead Avengers? Too unrelated.

Avengers in their secret identities? Perfect! The only "retail" versions of this are Peter Parker, Tony Stark, and Bruce Banner. Not even the MCU Avengers got jacket and ballcap figures and they spent half of phases 1-4 looking like that. Do THAT. All Avengers. No costumes or formal wear. It doesn't cut into anybody's existing retail collecting strategy because there isn't a partial collection of it at retail. Only do sets. Only do sets where zero parts of the set exist at retail.

Do stuff too niche for retail that most people would only want together.

I really don't think "the economy" factors in. Over half of Americans expect the economy to be fair or good in the near term. It doesn't matter what anybody says the fundamentals are like. Facts don't matter with the economy and something like this aside from people having available cash or credit. And at this price, I think enough people do.

I also think it's got a decent chance at funding with no tiers but I also think it's worth hyperanalizing why it's not going to hit 20k units. And that's because people want 6 inch crack, not big stuff. People are going out right now and spending $200 on Marvel Legends at retail.

I think it would do BETTER if it was 14" tall and cheaper, sure. But I don't think ANY project will crack 20k units without multiple bundled figures.

They just need to be tightly related and ideally unrepresentative of any major retail collecting strategy.

I still think it was a mistake to make him a HasLab.

He had like 5 or more different costumes, there are other big characters that are even less popular. New Super-Adaptoid size body they can reuse for many other characters (Goliath, Atlas, Bill Foster, etc) would be perfect. But nah, now we stuck with this one...

Posted by: @pg-superfan

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I think it would do BETTER if it was 14" tall and cheaper, sure. But I don't think ANY project will crack 20k units without multiple bundled figures.

Yep.

There's also the idea that if you get figures bundled in, you can offset the cost with those if you aren't in love with them - so they up and alter the value in more ways than one.

Only seven people want just a Zombie Giant-Man head.

@schizm I do wish the zombie head would unlock, if only because I'd imagine they'd end up giving it three more swappable sets of eyes and those eyes would probably swap onto the basic head to give us stoner Hank Pym.

Those bloodshot eyes with that smiling face...? Yeah. Maybe just needs 1/3 doll sunglasses.

https://www.iflytailies.com/store/pilots/1-3-scale-pilots/

A 24 inch Hank Pym could get into a fistfight with those 24 inch tall Bratz Kardashians.

The almost daily YouTube and Facebook content coming from all the "influencers" regarding Giant-Man is getting old and tiresome. I'm scrolling past all the related content on FB, and I don't even watch the YouTube content anymore. The videos keep popping up, but I'm just not interested in their commentary - even the influencers I usually listen to. Fwoosh is the only place that seems to have constructive conversations about it.

@beamish 

See I don't see that.

For the majority of this Haslab I think that the Influencers have kind of ignored the project.   I think it has only been in the past week that chatter has ticked up about whether or not this will fund.   Before that it has been a mostly "out of sight, out of mind" kind of thing.  Especially with so much other stuff to discuss.  Now that it is getting close to the end of course the chatter will pick up.  Since it isn't funded it is only natural to discuss it in greater quantity.  Hell we have a 60 page thread about it here.

I can't speak to Facebook since I am not on Facebook, but I would imagine it is probably the same there.  It is a place to discuss so people discuss.  Whether that is constructive or not, I don't know, but I think in general the chatter around Giant-Man has been much more positive than the EOV. 

Anyway:

Giant-Man:

5,631 / 10,000 (+21) 56.31% of funding goal with 13d 18h left.

Posted by: @beamish

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The almost daily YouTube and Facebook content coming from all the "influencers" regarding Giant-Man is getting old and tiresome. 

Like a pop star at a football game, you have to go with what will get you those clicks.

Posted by: @yojoebro82

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Posted by: @beamish

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The almost daily YouTube and Facebook content coming from all the "influencers" regarding Giant-Man is getting old and tiresome. 

Like a pop star at a football game, you have to go with what will get you those clicks.

 

I guess. i can't imagine that this haslab is a topic that generates a ton of engagement, it just doesn't seem controversial enough.  Feels like you'd get more views from griping about just about anything else ML-related.  Aside from hasbro not yet revealing a ton of figures coming out in support of this haslab, what is there to complain about?  

Posted by: @beamish

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The almost daily YouTube and Facebook content coming from all the "influencers" regarding Giant-Man is getting old and tiresome. I'm scrolling past all the related content on FB, and I don't even watch the YouTube content anymore. The videos keep popping up, but I'm just not interested in their commentary - even the influencers I usually listen to. Fwoosh is the only place that seems to have constructive conversations about it.

Several of the long-time Youtube reviewers have figured out what far too many news networks and politicians have over the last decade--tearing others down can be a great way to build yourself up.  My favorite three reviewers from a few years ago are now unwatchable.  Almost every video is them just shitting on Hasbro now.

The rational question there is why are you reviewing figures that you usually--or in some cases that you ALWAYS--end up hating?  The unfortunate answer is that's how they make the most money from views, subscriptions, and comments.  😣 

I don't necessarily think a "pivot to negative" is done for engagement by reviewers. Some, perhaps, but not all. Marvel Legends is just the most popular collector line out there so if you're a reviewer on YouTube relying on your channel to make money you basically have to review Marvel Legends, whether you find them good, acceptable, bad, or something else. I think most should be able to distinguish between what is valid criticism and what is not, but there are a lot of people who read/watch reviews of anything that have already decided what they want the review to tell them before even engaging with it. Hence why the "review bomb" phenomena occurs when a fanbase decides they don't like what a reviewer had to say about something they haven't even had the chance to interact with yet.

Like with anything else, people tend to flock toward those who share their opinions. For Legends, the (fuck I hate the term) Influencer types who went negative over the EOV probably saw huge spikes in their viewership. Thus, the propensity to skew negative. I find that there is a healthy faction of the community that will be generally negative toward any release - for reasons that usually have little to do with a given figure. Prices overall. Their own unhappiness or inability to keep up with pre-orders. Who knows. Who cares. Most rational people would just stop collecting if the entire hobby seemed to be mostly disappointment or negativity. Not so for many. So the reviewers who are very comfortable shitting on Hasbro (making peace with the fact that they probably won't be asked to reveal a figure or give a sneak peak review) are generating a fair amount of traffic pandering to the negative collectors. I'm also fairly certain a number of these reviewers and aspiring Influencer types are also pissy at Hasbro for not choosing them for a reveal or early review. For the parrots - it's not complaining about the complaining, simply observing the behavior. 

MarvelousNews - which I think for some reason is a 4-letter word around here, never really posts many "think-pieces" ruminating on the line... but once again they wrote something up about the HasLab trying to declare it a failure and showing their hand by whining about the EOV once again. I bet it's their most read article of the year.

The audiences are not teaching these content creators otherwise. They love a negative content.