It's a little over 25% funded in the first 6 hours. Not being overly optimistic, but they may have hit the right formula. Typically a Day one Haslab that is 'desirable', hits 4-6k.I hope this Giant Man figure get funded, I don't think I can handle another failure.
I'm just not sure "No add-on figures" was the message that should have come from the Engine of Vengeance failure though.
100% this. No one complained about the add on figures for the Sentinel. Very few people complained about the add on figures for Galactus. One of the main reason people complained about the Engine of Vengeance is that the add on figures were characters that were in high demand from collectors which had almost nothing to do with the base offering. What did the Goblin Queen have to do with the Engine of Vengeance, how did she relate?
The choice with EoV was cynical by Hasbro - hoping that characters that fans who didn't care about modern Ghost Rider or his car but desperately wanted Mephisto and Goblin Queen, would spend hundreds of dollars to get.
Including something like Lab Coat Pym and a version of Wasp or even Jarvis, would be utterly and entirely different - at least those characters go with the base offering thematically and in context.
Agreed. the sculpting on the suit is great. At first glance, I hated the hands/fingers, but they've grown on me. The potential for posing is pretty cool. Here I am talking myself into backing.
The very last pic on the Pulse page with him kneeling has me thinking more about it, I wish I could see a figure next to him in that pose. Assuming that gets his height on the shelf down to 16 to 18 inches it might work for me. I don't know, a version that split the difference between this and the old Toy Biz was my ideal, so genuinely unsure about backing.
I did briefly consider if I could display him horizontally, laying on its side kind of propped up on his elbow and one knee up, but might look too much like a beefcake pose... But if I could have it so it looked like he was doing that to hear Cap's instructions as part of a group discussion... same with the kneeling pose.
This is a no-brainer for many, myself included. What an incredible offering. Sure, I would've preferred an extra figure or two opposed to the alternate head unlocks, using parts they already have, even, but I'm very pleased with this.
When I sold my original collection, TB Giant-Man was one of the first to go, and was one I was sure I'd end up rebuying somewhere down the road. Kinda held out hope that they'd just remake the guy at some point and settled with Yellowjacket being my go-to Pym, but this is definitely a game changer.
The square cubed law means that the volume of the figure is going up by a cube when the surface area goes up by a square, so the literal amount of plastic isn't just 4x more. It's considerably more (don't ask me to do the actual math here).
Actual math - the same object, that keeps its proportions, at 4x taller have 16x the surface area and 64x the volume.
Think a 2x2x2 cube - 4 square inches a side, 8 cubic inches in volume.
Compare that to an 8x8x8 cube - 64 square inches a side (16 times the 2x2x2), 512 cubic inches in volume (64 times the 2x2x2).
I've settled on "not engaging with the haters" mode for this as I think it's an unequivocally great offering. This thing could have been $100 and we'd still have people coming in here with "oh but $75 would have been better!" or "I built the Toy Biz BAF for less than that during the Bush administration!" The internet has given too much cache to negativity and griping, and it's just not worth the back and forth.
Looking forward to this badass figure. On Instagram Ryan teased a protoype at D23 (some Disney convention I hadn't heard of) so hopefully more pics to come. Would love if they show him off next to Sentinel and Galactus to get a sense of how he stacks up.
We pretty much have to see Wasp at PulseCon, right? Inevitably there will be complaints that she's not included in the HasLab but I think more people than not will be excited by the complementary offering. Janet deserves this!
Update: I can’t find it, but I found the other posts I saw it mixed in with, so I don’t know if it was deleted, fake, or whatever. But in my search to find it I ended up seeing several photos of the Engine of Vengeance so now I’m super bummed out all over again.You and me both! I still lament the lack of a Hellcharger that would be coming my way soon, but the people spoke. At least Ramen Toy stepped in - their project is shaping up to be a worthy substitute for the real thing. Just gotta make myself a Robbie figure!
Care to restart the Ramen thread? I haven't read any updates since you posted in the now-obliterated-old-thread 🤣
I'm not that much of a glutton for punishment! After the board collapse the already-tiny number of people interested has dwindled even further!
Fair enough. If you could just PM me any updates you come across, that would be much appreciated! 😉
This got buried but yes, yes I will! Maybe next time they do a substantive update I'll just start the thread and you, me, and the other guy can have ourselves a party!
The square cubed law means that the volume of the figure is going up by a cube when the surface area goes up by a square, so the literal amount of plastic isn't just 4x more. It's considerably more (don't ask me to do the actual math here).
Actual math - the same object, that keeps its proportions, at 4x taller have 16x the surface area and 64x the volume.
Think a 2x2x2 cube - 4 square inches a side, 8 cubic inches in volume.
Compare that to an 8x8x8 cube - 64 square inches a side (16 times the 2x2x2), 512 cubic inches in volume (64 times the 2x2x2).
4 times taller = 4 times more expensive!!! 😡 😡 😡
We pretty much have to see Wasp at PulseCon, right? Inevitably there will be complaints that she's not included in the HasLab but I think more people than not will be excited by the complementary offering. Janet deserves this!
I think yes, for sure. Fan Channel release timed to hit just before Giant Man shows up. I'm curious to see if it will be as a single figure or in a 2-pack with FA Iron Man painted gold.
We pretty much have to see Wasp at PulseCon, right? Inevitably there will be complaints that she's not included in the HasLab but I think more people than not will be excited by the complementary offering. Janet deserves this!
I think yes, for sure. Fan Channel release timed to hit just before Giant Man shows up. I'm curious to see if it will be as a single figure or in a 2-pack with FA Iron Man painted gold.
I wouldn't be opposed to them doing a full-on First Appearance Avengers box set, but it would be hard to make it not feel redundant having a full-sized Ant-Man in there, and only making mini-Ant-Man & Wasp would be no good either. Maybe a single-release FA Wasp, and separately a First Appearance 3-pack with gold Iron Man, green Hulk on the grey body, and Thor with a more classic headsculpt, + mini-Hank and Jan?
Working against that idea is the fact that Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk all sell fine on their own, so they probably aren't incentivized to bundle them. I've come back around to your gold Iron Man & Wasp 2-pack!
I'm just not sure "No add-on figures" was the message that should have come from the Engine of Vengeance failure though.
One of the main reason people complained about the Engine of Vengeance is that the add on figures were characters that were in high demand from collectors which had almost nothing to do with the base offering. What did the Goblin Queen have to do with the Engine of Vengeance, how did she relate?
The choice with EoV was cynical by Hasbro - hoping that characters that fans who didn't care about modern Ghost Rider or his car but desperately wanted Mephisto and Goblin Queen, would spend hundreds of dollars to get.
You're absolutely correct. And, in all honesty, I do think that Hasbro took the wrong message from EoV in this regard. I do think that in a campaign like this, if they had included classic Avengers characters like Wasp, or a lab coat Hank Pym - maybe not Jarvis, as there has been no standard release of him yet - with a classic Giant-Man, there would be minimal backlash.
They probably got the wrong message about vehicles, too. EoV's failure isn't a sign that collectors don't want vehicles, it's a sign that they don't want overpriced vehicles that mean nothing to them. I do think that in a campaign like this, if they had included classic Avengers characters like Wasp, or a lab coat Hank Pym - maybe not Jarvis, as there has been no standard release of him yet - with a classic Giant-Man, there would be minimal backlash.
However, I would rather they offer no figures than make the same mistakes again in the future that they made last year, where they try to coerce fans to support some modern product they don't want by gatekeeping classic characters.
This situation is not ideal, but it's better than last year, for sure.
After many, many years of basically my whole collection living in boxes I was finally able to get a few shelves set up earlier this year. I'm glad I'll be able to enjoy this guy on full display for at least another year until his replacement shows up...
I’ll be grabbing one, I can’t pass up giant action figures.
Overall, I applaud them for not selecting a modern character that most collectors have little to no interest in
Love it when he speaks for most collectors. Finger on the pulse.
Personally, I love when you don't speak at all.
But you know, maybe you're right. I mean, what do I know? My biggest issues with the Engine of Vengeance HasLab - which failed, miserably, by the way - were that:
- they selected a modern character that most action figure collectors have little interest in
- they were gatekeeping long-requested classic characters behind the modern character paywall
- the price point was insanely high
Fast forward to this Haslab:
- Classic character in a classic costume
- no highly-requested standard figures being locked behind a paywall
- A significantly lower, more reasonable price point. Still too high, but not nearly as absurd as last year.
Hmm...maybe I was on to something after all? The results speak for themselves. You know, like when you post poorly-thought out horseshit, and other people come around and call you out on it, you delusional hypocrite.
Again, I don't think you have any idea what collectors want, generally. There were a million complaints about the car - too many to count. Was it that it wasn't a classic character - or that Legends are too expensive in general? Maybe it was because the Barbie car was cheaper. I'm glad we have you as the expert, though. What a relief.
I would rather they offer no figures than make the same mistakes again in the future that they made last year, where they try to coerce fans to support some modern product they don't want by gatekeeping classic characters.
This situation is not ideal, but it's better than last year, for sure.
To be clear, I agree with this. I just also agree that Hasbro took the wrong message from the EoV faiure and there is a viable happy medium.
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