Cool Haslab. Love all the small sculpted details in the suit, and the articulated hands look fantastic. Great idea and execution (AFAIK) here to tie together these latest Avenger releases. It's not my kind of thing but if I were more into this line I'd absolutely pick him up.
PS: I don't think comparing him to four Legends is appropriate. It might work on height alone but that's ignoring width, depth, and weight. If you're going that route, then you have to figure he's 2+ figures wide and deep. Not to say he's a great value, I just disagree with the comparison. If you'd rather buy eight MLs for the same cost, that's completely understandable.
2001 backers...
Not including figues as tiers is a bit ridiculous unless they've decided to incorporate the budget for tier worthy characters, which are typically too obscure or "hot" for retail, and release them.
Release Mephisto, Goblin Queen, and the Son of Satan as retail releases then.
I really wish people would understand that "x is just Y but 4 times the height, therefore it should be exactly 4 times the price" is just not at all how manufacturing works.
Just a back of the napkin comparison:
It's got DOZENS more points of articulation than a 6" figure, meaning higher complexity and number of steel molds need to be cut.
The square cubed law means that the volume of the figure is going up by a cube when the surface area goes up by a square, so the literal amount of plastic isn't just 4x more. It's considerably more (don't ask me to do the actual math here).
The economy of scale is why you get the other figures at the price you already do. Reuse, even on the small scale of hands, along with MUCH larger orders, means that the tooling and per unit costs are way better on any retail figure, and only get better over time as more parts can be used for cross purposes. Haslab has none of that since it's one and done.
The engineering costs are hours that also have to be factored in, along with prototyping and such which all will take longer and cost more with a figure of this scale than an average 6" offering.
And yes, there's always a premium built in for increase in profit. But that's not the bulk of what's making the difference here, the literal manufacturing of it costs substantially more. If it's outside someone's comfort zone or budget, no worries. If it's just not something they personally want to buy, totally cool. This is not a figure I plan to buy, so I'm with you, but the idea that it's a straight up "x times bigger means x times more expensive" is just a fantasy. It has no relationship with the realities of making things.
I could see it with that example, people already have that figure in (and I'm not sure about this because I don't collect Joes full time) 3 different deco's?
It's different with a figure that's long demanded and hasn't seen an announcement or retail confirmation.
I'd say it's fairly similar, none of the Cobra Commanders in Classified up until the one released with the Haslab were the look people were aching for with C.C. (much like Wasp), but with his inclusion in the Haslab they made it abundantly clear that this look is going to show up in mainline, with a minor variant.
Classified Haslab figures have primarily been this, with the Dragonfly recently having two Nightforce variants as well as Glenda. May as well be outright telling us that mainline will be getting Scarlett, Crazylegs, and Ripcord soon.
Then I would have to ask what is the point in making a slight variation the top tier incentive of a backer funded project. Third tier goals should be the quirky extra, not something that would piss people off. Plus, there's no single carded FA Wasp on the horizon, so if they show her as a tier in the next month, that'll most likely cause a drop in backers if anything out of sheer rage.
You should ask Hasbro, because they did this exact tactic with Mickey Mouse Cobra Commander in the HISS Tank Haslab. I don't hate it really, if we have figures in a Haslab and it's a unique character, a minor variant of what we get in mainline is okay by me.
I still just wish I could get Morg or Nova at retail. If a Haslab requires a bonus figure, something with a minor variant we can get at mainline is perfectly fine.
I could see it with that example, people already have that figure in (and I'm not sure about this because I don't collect Joes full time) 3 different deco's?
It's different with a figure that's long demanded and hasn't seen an announcement or retail confirmation.
When they did MM Cobra Commander (and the more recent Glenda) they also did a retail confirmation at the same time.
I don't get this idea of "we don't have retail confirmation" as being an argument against certain variants of characters being Haslabs when Hasbro is in a position to give the retail confirmation alongside the tier announcement.
I really wish people would understand that "x is just Y but 4 times the height, therefore it should be exactly 4 times the price" is just not at all how manufacturing works.
Just a back of the napkin comparison:
It's got DOZENS more points of articulation than a 6" figure, meaning higher complexity and number of steel molds need to be cut.
The square cubed law means that the volume of the figure is going up by a cube when the surface area goes up by a square, so the literal amount of plastic isn't just 4x more. It's considerably more (don't ask me to do the actual math here).
The economy of scale is why you get the other figures at the price you already do. Reuse, even on the small scale of hands, along with MUCH larger orders, means that the tooling and per unit costs are way better on any retail figure, and only get better over time as more parts can be used for cross purposes. Haslab has none of that since it's one and done.
The engineering costs are hours that also have to be factored in, along with prototyping and such which all will take longer and cost more with a figure of this scale than an average 6" offering.
And yes, there's always a premium built in for increase in profit. But that's not the bulk of what's making the difference here, the literal manufacturing of it costs substantially more. If it's outside someone's comfort zone or budget, no worries. If it's just not something they personally want to buy, totally cool. This is not a figure I plan to buy, so I'm with you, but the idea that it's a straight up "x times bigger means x times more expensive" is just a fantasy. It has no relationship with the realities of making things.
Does it really need that high level of articulation, particularly for the fingers? It seems a bit overdesigned and intentionally so to justify the high price point. A less robust Giant man at 200 or 250 plus a few obscure Avenger outfits that likely won't be made in our lifetimes would have been ideal.
IMO, $200 is a little high for this, must not drastically. This is more than just regular Legends figure scaled to 24" or even a Neca 1/4 scale figure. The articulation, especially in the hands, is far more complex than we've seen before. The method for the eyes is a new technique as well (whether warranted or not). Add in the extra face plates and I think $175 would've been the perfect price point for this. I'd like to get this, but I'm on the fence mostly due to space issues. I would've preferred something closer 16-18" tall height just to fit into my display.
Figure looks great. Height is pretty perfect. If I'm buying, I don't want a "Kind of Tall" Man, I want a giant. Price is decent. The lack of figures as tiers is a completely welcome surprise. The face plates don't tweak me, but that doesn't matter.
Overall far more satisfying than last year's offering.
I really wish people would understand that "x is just Y but 4 times the height, therefore it should be exactly 4 times the price" is just not at all how manufacturing works.
Just a back of the napkin comparison:
It's got DOZENS more points of articulation than a 6" figure, meaning higher complexity and number of steel molds need to be cut.
The square cubed law means that the volume of the figure is going up by a cube when the surface area goes up by a square, so the literal amount of plastic isn't just 4x more. It's considerably more (don't ask me to do the actual math here).
The economy of scale is why you get the other figures at the price you already do. Reuse, even on the small scale of hands, along with MUCH larger orders, means that the tooling and per unit costs are way better on any retail figure, and only get better over time as more parts can be used for cross purposes. Haslab has none of that since it's one and done.
The engineering costs are hours that also have to be factored in, along with prototyping and such which all will take longer and cost more with a figure of this scale than an average 6" offering.
And yes, there's always a premium built in for increase in profit. But that's not the bulk of what's making the difference here, the literal manufacturing of it costs substantially more. If it's outside someone's comfort zone or budget, no worries. If it's just not something they personally want to buy, totally cool. This is not a figure I plan to buy, so I'm with you, but the idea that it's a straight up "x times bigger means x times more expensive" is just a fantasy. It has no relationship with the realities of making things.
Does it really need that high level of articulation, particularly for the fingers? It seems a bit overdesigned and intentionally so to justify the high price point. A less robust Giant man at 200 or 250 plus a few obscure Avenger outfits that likely won't be made in our lifetimes would have been ideal.
Not really what I'm commenting on. Like I said, if you'd prefer a different sort of offering, that's cool. If it's outside your budget, also cool. Everyone has their own mental version of the ideal Haslab offering and price point. And it's fine to opine about how that would be nice. Like I said, I'm not getting this one because, groovy as it looks, I don't have attachment to the character and this doesn't quite tip me into needing it like some other Hasbro figures have.
What I'm talking about is strictly the folks that assume that the cost *should* be a particular number based on a single metric (height, in this case) that is, in the grand scheme, but one of many important factors.
I backed two. My last post was on p15, but I skipped every page but this one. So I don’t know what the drama seems to be, if any. I think this figure looks great, worth the price, though the tiers are meh. But faces are better than locking figures behind a crowdfund.
It’s taken me awhile to get here, but I’m beginning to realize that making this HasLab “the Giant-Man, the whole Giant-Man and nothing but the Giant-Man” is one of the most honorable and collector friendly things that Hasbro has done in quite some time.
I could see it with that example, people already have that figure in (and I'm not sure about this because I don't collect Joes full time) 3 different deco's?
It's different with a figure that's long demanded and hasn't seen an announcement or retail confirmation.
I'd say it's fairly similar, none of the Cobra Commanders in Classified up until the one released with the Haslab were the look people were aching for with C.C. (much like Wasp), but with his inclusion in the Haslab they made it abundantly clear that this look is going to show up in mainline, with a minor variant.
Classified Haslab figures have primarily been this, with the Dragonfly recently having two Nightforce variants as well as Glenda. May as well be outright telling us that mainline will be getting Scarlett, Crazylegs, and Ripcord soon.
Again, we've seen no indication of a main line release, not on leak lists (and we pretty much had a complete rundown of every figure released at the begging of the year).
I doubt it's something they can just pull out of their ass in two months for the Haslab, and have a retail version ready to go to coincide with it's release.
It would be a completely different story if the prime version everyone wanted was readily available, and the redeco came out a year or two later with the Haslab.
So I'm thrilled they've decided, so far, to nix the idea of extra figures, because the only one that would have made sense is FA Wasp, and it could have backfired on them if they didn't do X, Y and Z first, which I really doubt they could pull off in the timeframe.
Easy fix for the 'no figures'.Not including figues as tiers is a bit ridiculous unless they've decided to incorporate the budget for tier worthy characters, which are typically too obscure or "hot" for retail, and release them.
Release Mephisto, Goblin Queen, and the Son of Satan as retail releases then.
#1. Offer the Early Bird as "IF YOU ORDER IN THE FIRST WEEK, WE WILL GIVE YOU THIS FIGURE", maybe Hank in matching outfit. It's not locked behind a tier, it's a sign on bonus. If you don't want it, don't order early. If you want the bonus, order early. Period. The figure may be released later, but not with the same paint scheme (which HASBRO would do anyway.)
#2. When it FULLY funds and the Tiers are finished, show a 'Thanks for playing' bonus. Unannounced. Maybe it's another face plate, or a weapon or a tiny Hank Pym in matching outfit.
The Early Bird would get some extra excitement going and bolster the opening numbers. The 'Thanks' would be like an after dinner mint. Nothing locked behind tiers, no blame on HASBRO. Back it or don't, it's on you.
BTW, I'd wager lunch that Pulsecon will have complimentary figures for this HASLAB, and the Underworld box set will be out in the next 12 months with Mephisto, GQ and SoS. That's money that's been left on the table.
Again, we've seen no indication of a main line release, not on leak lists (and we pretty much had a complete rundown of every figure released at the begging of the year).
I doubt it's something they can just pull out of their ass in two months for the Haslab, and have a retail version ready to go to coincide with it's release.
It would be a completely different story if the prime version everyone wanted was readily available, and the redeco came out a year or two later with the Haslab.
So I'm thrilled they've decided, so far, to nix the idea of extra figures, because the only one that would have made sense is FA Wasp, and it could have backfired on them if they didn't do X, Y and Z first, which I really doubt they could pull off in the timeframe.
There was 0 indication or leak of any Classified Haslab figure being in mainline either (to my knowledge), since those figures are far off from production. It'd be the same in this hypothetical.
But I feel it, extra figures being gone is just more consumer friendly. I'm excited to see what accompanying pieces Hasbro may release for this in the future in the mainline.
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