Overall, I applaud them for not selecting a modern character that most collectors have little to no interest in
Love it when he speaks for most collectors. Finger on the pulse.
Personally, I love when you don't speak at all.
But you know, maybe you're right. I mean, what do I know? My biggest issues with the Engine of Vengeance HasLab - which failed, miserably, by the way - were that:
- they selected a modern character that most action figure collectors have little interest in
- they were gatekeeping long-requested classic characters behind the modern character paywall
- the price point was insanely high
Fast forward to this Haslab:
- Classic character in a classic costume
- no highly-requested standard figures being locked behind a paywall
- A significantly lower, more reasonable price point. Still too high, but not nearly as absurd as last year.
Hmm...maybe I was on to something after all? The results speak for themselves. You know, like when you post poorly-thought out horseshit, and other people come around and call you out on it, you delusional hypocrite.
The Three Faces of Pym are perfect: stoic, overly smiling and very, very angry. All three faceplates capture a man on the edge, ready to explode. I don't know if they were sculpted consciously to show Pym's psychological disorders, but if they were - that's a whole level of awesome.
This looks great! I love that it's 24 inches as I think is probably the ideal height for this offering. I'm definitely going to back the project and would likely buy 2 (maybe 3?) if both faceplates fund.
I bought 3 Sentinels and always regretted not getting a fourth to use the battle damaged look. I never really considered getting more than one Galactus, but I certainly may buy more than one Giant Man and the price point makes that more realistic.
Once we heard the rumored $199 price point I knew that there wouldn't be multiple tiers of 6" figures, but not even one is disappointing -- but if that's what kept it under $200, then I"ll take it! I bet they release a new Wasp around the time this about to ship next fall -- maybe in a 2-pack with lab coat Hank.
I've never been happier about being wrong in regards to saying that I didn't think that they'd ever release a HasLab this cheap!!
They said they're working on a T3, honestly haven't decided, and that they'll take feedback.
IMHO, a "First Appearance" Wasp is the way to go.
I also don't think that's unreasonable as her first suit had blue gloves with blue tinted wings and leggings and her first Avengers suit (which could be retail) had red gloves and clear tinted wings.
Putting ,arguably, one of the most highly requested Avengers related figures as a tier of this project, knowing that a number of collectors likely have the ToyBiz Giant Man already, that absolutely holds up and they're satisfied with, would be a disaster.
Putting it as the 16,000 option aswell?
They're not that stupid. We all know Hasbro's marketing techniques and the nature of their selling, but that wouldn't even be an incentive for the project, it would be spitting in peoples faces.
Then telling everyone, here's this super exclusive tier you are ONLY getting in this Haslab, getting people to begrudgingly fork out the $200, and saying, gotcha, here's a single release!
People can imply Hasbro is shady and there'll be a chorus of "I wouldn't put it past them" that comes from their own baggage with the company, but no, that to me, seems insane.
Did you read the entire post?
I'm suggesting they make a distinction between what people think of as Wasp's first costume and what she wore in her actual first Avengers team-up. I think it would actually even make sense to announce the distinction and commit to doing her founding Avengers costume as a standalone.
I don't think people would riot over blue gloves and a headset and inverted boots that most fans and even artists forget were different in her first appearance.
Then I would have to ask what is the point in making a slight variation the top tier incentive of a backer funded project. Third tier goals should be the quirky extra, not something that would piss people off. Plus, there's no single carded FA Wasp on the horizon, so if they show her as a tier in the next month, that'll most likely cause a drop in backers if anything out of sheer rage.
It is a quirky extra. Nobody's asked for what I'm suggesting and it would be simple for them SAY that they'd do an Avengers #1 variant at some point in the future when they announce it.
Looks like the, err, healthy dialogue around HasLab has picked back up.
... the bonus figures are almost a lose/lose proposition. Either people are enraged that someone seminal to their collection is locked behind a $400 paywall, or it's someone nearly anonymous like Morg who's met with shrugs.
I think the best avenue is Morg and something like the Cobra Commander with the paint error, but that does very little to move the needle. The GI Joe tank commanders were also a good idea, but that's almost impossible to replicate on the Marvel side.
Glad Hasbro came to the same conclusion here. I know folks wanted Wasp and Jarvis, but there's no reason those figures can't come out through Fan Channel next year.
I really like the face plates, too, even if I'd chuck all four alternates in a bin until the end of time. They take up a lot less space than alternate heads.
I feel like $200 is incredibly reasonable. A 24" figure with a unique sculpt, gorgeous textures and shading, and a ton of articulation. I want this desperately, but HasLab isn't for me as currently constructed. My display consists of two packed Detolf cases and I'm not pulling an entire shelf to get a 24" figure in there. Sadly, Hank Pym will only exist in .25" ant-riding form on my shelf.
There was a user who posted this gorgeous display in the Marvel forum pre-nuke.
I can't remember his username (something-Zero?) but I had messaged him to ask what the cabinet was and he kindly pointed me towards this: https://www.amazon.com/5-Shelf-Glass-Curio-Cabinet-Black/dp/B00FPGP4KA/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=COASTER%2B5-Shelf%2BGlass%2BCurio%2BCabinet%2BBlack%2Band%2BClear&qid=1685980870&sr=8-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.c3015c4a-46bb-44b9-81a4-dc28e6d374b3&th=1
It's wider than a detolf but roughly the same height, and he uses custom cut acrylic for the angled shelves. We're (hopefully) relocating in the next year into a forever house, so I'm not putting any new money into my display until I know what kind of space I'll be working with. But this is definitely an aspiration, especially with a cabinet that would line up nicely with my existing detolfs. A similar display with Giant-Man surrounding by flying Avengers is very easy to imagine.
I saved that pic as well. Crafting those fractional shelves around Galactus's upper half is so cool.
He looks nice but Hasbro made this one an easy pass.
I think $200 for a 2-foot tall basic figure is pretty steep. Whether you like or don't like tiered figures in a campaign, they add value to the overall package. Extra heads I would never use do not.
This is pretty basic math, but a 6-inch figure is $25 — something four times the size comes out at eight times the cost? (Like I said, it's basic but you know what I mean ...)
And as Handsome said a few pages ago now, at 2 feet tall he's literally going to overshadow his much smaller fellow Avengers on a shelf (he actually wouldn't fit on most of my shelves.) As the sentinel and Galactus have taught me, you're very limited with what you can do with these big guys when it comes to displays.
That smiling face plate also really bothers me for some reason, too. The other two are great.
It looks great, and at the price and the required number for production it will definitely be made, I have no doubt the tiers will be unlocked as well. As for the lack of figures included, I’m disappointed. I think they misinterpreted the reaction from last year, it wasn’t that people don’t want figures included, it was that they wanted the figures more than the actual offering. If Jarvis had been included here, I’m sure some people would complain, but it’s the Avengers butler…I’m not sure you’re getting him outside of some big ticket release. Aunt May finally got made as part of a two-pack with Doc Ock, but Aunt May is a more high profile character than Jarvis. If going forward they’re going to sell Haslabs based solely on the item itself, that will at least decrease the amount of negativity, if you don’t like it don’t back and move on, but it also makes the final product seem lesser somehow. When the Sentinel arrived with all the extras it felt like an amazing overall package, same with Galactus, the Hiss and Dragonfly will be the same as well. Giant Man will feel like a solid Giant Man figure, but it feels more like “Yep, this is what I ordered,” more than “Holy crap look at all this stuff!” But a win is a win for the team even if it’s a safer play. I do hope that in some fashion they are working on a 6 inch version of this exact design, even as a kid it always frustrated me to have someone locked into a form that they didn’t use primarily. I’m looking at you Human Torch. Giant Man does not sit around with the other Avengers as Giant Man, we need a normal sized version of this.
It's a fantastic figure and I'm getting it
I'm just not sure "No add-on figures" was the message that should have come from the Engine of Vengeance failure though.
Hopefully Pulse-Con or Amazon come through with an retro Avengers set - get early costume Jan, Gold/Skirt Iron Man etc. out that way
Then I would have to ask what is the point in making a slight variation the top tier incentive of a backer funded project. Third tier goals should be the quirky extra, not something that would piss people off. Plus, there's no single carded FA Wasp on the horizon, so if they show her as a tier in the next month, that'll most likely cause a drop in backers if anything out of sheer rage.
You should ask Hasbro, because they did this exact tactic with Mickey Mouse Cobra Commander in the HISS Tank Haslab. I don't hate it really, if we have figures in a Haslab and it's a unique character, a minor variant of what we get in mainline is okay by me.
I still just wish I could get Morg or Nova at retail. If a Haslab requires a bonus figure, something with a minor variant we can get at mainline is perfectly fine.
I wish I had backed the Ghost.
Couldn't justify two ma$$ive HasLabs in a row (plus Jabba's Throne) and giving a billion dollar corporation $1000 a year early, but with this being $200 I could have swung both. I really wish the price leak had happened a day earlier, or been hinted as "this year it's going to be 50% cheaper!" - HasLab just cannibalized it's own sales.
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I'm just not sure "No add-on figures" was the message that should have come from the Engine of Vengeance
I feel like some of the voices in the Legends community I roll my eyes at or actively ignore were the ones they listened to, I’m not thrilled that they’re going to believe they won and that the way they conducted themselves is the way to go moving forward.
I'm definitely backing this one. I just really like the look of it and he's classic enough for my taste. Another $200 is kind of inconvenient with all the other stuff dropping at that time of the year, but it also feels like a steal compared to other Haslabs and bigger items.
This is pretty basic math, but a 6-inch figure is $25 — something four times the size comes out at eight times the cost? (Like I said, it's basic but you know what I mean ...)
Your math assumes one dimension, i.e. the Y axis of height, but increasing height also increases the X-axis of width and the Z-axis of depth. The volume and weight of a 24-inch figure is much greater than 4 times that of a 6-inch figure.
I do hope that in some fashion they are working on a 6 inch version of this exact design, even as a kid it always frustrated me to have someone locked into a form that they didn’t use primarily. I’m looking at you Human Torch. Giant Man does not sit around with the other Avengers as Giant Man, we need a normal sized version of this.
I'd love to see this. And maybe that's the place to get us the Janet everyone wants. A 2-pack with Hank as this Giant-Man at normal size plus Classic Wasp would be great. Make it a 3-pack by adding in the Mk2 Gold Iron Man and it's even better.
As it is, I'm quite excited for this. As I said, the unlocks do nothing for me, but the figure looks amazing. I've never cared for articulated fingers on a figure (this goes across all brands, and my 17-year old son laughs at me routinely for it), but I think that for a giant figure like this it's necessary so he can hold normal-sized characters. So, appropriate.
Very much looking forward to this.
He looks nice but Hasbro made this one an easy pass.
I think $200 for a 2-foot tall basic figure is pretty steep. Whether you like or don't like tiered figures in a campaign, they add value to the overall package. Extra heads I would never use do not.
This is pretty basic math, but a 6-inch figure is $25 — something four times the size comes out at eight times the cost? (Like I said, it's basic but you know what I mean ...)
Exactly, people jumping up and down clapping at Hasbro's $200 Giant Man doesn't realize they are still overpaying. Perceived value is a real thing.
@enigmaticclarity That assumes he's going to be hefty, but I imagine Hasbro will trim the plastic fat as much as they can and he'll end up being a fairly light and hollow figure.
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