I would not back Fin Fang Foom for the same reason I didn't back Giant-Man but if they gave us a big ass Apocalypse with Genesis and their Horseman kids + Auntie Isca I'd be all over it. Then give us House of X Wave 2 with a Kobak Never-Held or Uranos BAF + a deluxe X-Force Archangel.

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They should try the Engine of Vengeance again, without the extra figures. Just the car, Robbie, and a lower price. You just know they had plans for Ghost Rider stuff that was scrapped because of the haslab failure.

Would also have to include full figures of both Robbie's, that BS with the early bird ruined it for me right out of the gate

 

Since Ghost Rider characters are heavily present in my Top 10 most wanted list, the thought that they scrapped a Vintage GR wave hits me with about the same anguish of the Penance Stare. 😭 

Given that there was no early-bird, whether people backed in the first minute or the last really doesn't matter. 

For the EoV, we'll never know if the early-bird failure was due to fence-sitters not getting off the fence or lack of interest overall, but it certainly didn't help when that failed - in that instance, encouraging people to back that week made sense for everyone.

The biggest issue for the HasLabs, to me, is that it tends to pit parts of the collecting community against each other - when these campaigns fail, people who backed want to blame someone, even other collectors, for simply not wanting what they wanted; and when these succeed, people who wanted something different or couldn't afford it - like say a smaller Giant-Man - feel frustrated because that may not happen now or they were priced out. Compare this a regular release, which always has some griping about why this figure and not that figure or not that look, but doesn't tend to devolve this much into pleas to either buy it or not buy it, as it is getting made regardless.

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I'd also like to throw out there that I don't think the name would be a problem, or at least not from any serious person. It's clearly a play on "Fee-fi-fo-fum" and not derogatory, and contrary to popular belief most people aren't out searching for things to be outraged by.

You just inadvertently illustrated why the name is a problem--people will just guess why it's like that, and as you just did they're almost guaranteed to guess wrong.  China will immediately guess wrong just as they did with the MCU Shang-Chi movie.  Most people will think it's a play on the infamous slur against the Chinese people and their language that I won't go into here that many or most of us who are 40 and above have heard many times during our lives.  That's not at all correct, but that won't stop large portions of the media from doing it.  Ryan and Dan won't risk that kind of media coverage.

The reality of the name is that we don't have to guess where it came from because Stan Lee told us--it's a play on the title of a 1934 movie adapted from a long-running play that Stan had seen called Chu Chin Chow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chu_Chin_Chow_(1934_film)

Thanks for posting this - here's the Wiki that has the quote from the 2005 interview where he commented on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_Fang_Foom#cite_note-3

Even better, honestly, that it is attributable to a source. I always find it funny how Stan can't seem to remember so much of his time working on these landmark characters and teams, then pulls random stuff out like this. What are you referring to with "China" guessing wrong about the Shang-Chi movie?

 

 

I'd be surprised if China suddenly took issue with this character, considering he has been a part of comics for a long time, AND recently featured in a video game that was fairly popular. If his continued use in comics and his appearance in a game that had over 8 million players didn't spark any controversy, I don't think it will suddenly become an issue in the media if Hasbro makes a toy. 

 

I'm not sure if people know this, but Marvel Legends has already made a Fin Fang Foom figure and they called him Fin Fang Foom, and I don't remember anybody caring?

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Given that there was no early-bird, whether people backed in the first minute or the last really doesn't matter. 

I think when you are talking about a funding campaign, momentum, either negative or positive, absolutely makes a difference in the end results.

The earlier a campaign looks to be successful the more excitement is built, and more backers want in on the action. 

The longer funding remains in question, the more negativity builds, the less people pay attention to the campaign, and the less people want to invest monetarily and emotionally in something they fear will fail.

All of the people that take the stance of not wanting to back unless they know the campaign is successful, or waiting until the very end to see what the full package will be, is completely counterproductive to the entire project. 

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I backed and I'm super excited! However, I LOVE me some Skrulls so my intention was to display him as a Skrull. I REALLY wanted the Skrull head! It won't happen, BUT it would be cool that since we got so close there would be an option to SELECT whether you want the Skrull head or the Zombie head. That would be cool. 

 

As for the next Haslab, I think it's the only way we get a big Imperial Guard team.  Start with 8 figures for $225. With each tier, add a new figure. 

 

I'd also LOVE X-Tinction Agenda Cameron Hodge!! I would lose my mind. 

 

 

This is yet another situation where I wish the Marvel Legends world had as robust a 3rd Party presence as the Transformers world. If there were, there would already be 3rd Party Skrull upgrade kits announced for this Giant-Man.

 

EDIT: Add me to the Hodge wishlist! I hope that when the Legends team mentioned they were looking at smaller HasLab projects, they weren't referring to Giant-Man, but rather characters like Hodge that are slightly larger than what can be offered in Deluxe, but aren't huge like the Sentinel, Galactus, and now, Giant-Man.

Like where are my third party wings for super adaptoid? lol

It is a theory that people are waiting to back due to following the herd, but I think that theory has been started by people who back on day 1 and believe that matters and is the right way to back a campaign, and then assume the reason others do not back on day 1 is due to some flaw in their reasoning, being swayed by others, etc. But I don't recall too many posts from folks actually saying "I won't back until it funds" (I'm sure there are some) - I do recall many posts from folks speculating that is the reasoning others have.

Other theories might be why commit day 1 if you want to be sure new information doesn't arise by the last day, either in the campaign itself or their own situation, so no need to lock in. Or maybe legitimate indecision if they want to back and they need to know how they feel in that last moment - sort of how I sometimes feel about whether I want to go to an event, can't decide until I either need to leave home or stay home. 

I still think at the end of it all, people either want it or don't, and the impact of the community opinions is vastly overstated.

But it goes to the rest of my post - why critique how and when others engage or not? For Galactus, I was in on day 1, for the Sentinel, I went in once they revealed the Master Mold head, for EoV, I was in before the early-bird, for this I waited until the last day as this wasn't essential for me but decided why not at the end.

This thread was active but still represents less than 1% of the people who backed most likely, and may or may not be representative of pool of Legends collectors. How we see it, or how 50 people commenting on YouTube see it, or whatever, provides some insight but I suspect people who actually comment publicly at all tend to be different from those who don't in their thought processes.

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I would not back Fin Fang Foom for the same reason I didn't back Giant-Man but if they gave us a big ass Apocalypse with Genesis and their Horseman kids + Auntie Isca I'd be all over it. Then give us House of X Wave 2 with a Kobak Never-Held or Uranos BAF + a deluxe X-Force Archangel.

The next HasLab needs to be X-related just so we can get X-Men tie-in products.

In all the year ssince I started with Marvel (mid-80s), my mind has always kind of divided up the Marvel Universe into five corners; X-Men, Spider-Man, Avengers, F4/Cosmic, and Street Level/Marvel Knights/Mystic.

We've had the Sentinel (X-Universe), Galactus (F4/Marvel Cosmic), EoV (Street-level/Marvel Knights), and now Giant-Man (Avengers). While I always love to see X-Universe-related stuff, is there something from the Spider-Man corner that would work? It seems like that's the last main corner of the Marvel Universe that hasn't had a HasLab related project.

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the impact of the community opinions is vastly overstated.

Ain't that the truth. THAT couldn't be overstated enough. 

Use all the previous data we want, suggest how including this/that can get this funded instantly, blah blah. Majority of people on here & reddit didn't expect Giant-Man to perform the way it did on the final day. Hell it did better in one day than the entire EoV campaign. 

At end of the day - we don't know shit 😎 

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In all the year ssince I started with Marvel (mid-80s), my mind has always kind of divided up the Marvel Universe into five corners; X-Men, Spider-Man, Avengers, F4/Cosmic, and Street Level/Marvel Knights/Mystic.

We've had the Sentinel (X-Universe), Galactus (F4/Marvel Cosmic), EoV (Street-level/Marvel Knights), and now Giant-Man (Avengers). While I always love to see X-Universe-related stuff, is there something from the Spider-Man corner that would work? It seems like that's the last main corner of the Marvel Universe that hasn't had a HasLab related project.

Well there's Leopardon but idk. It really needs to show up in Beyond the Spiderverse but that's at least a couple of years out.

Do people want a big ass Sandman? It'd be neat but also like not necessary and there's smaller options available so you'd run into the same issues with Giant Man.

Daily Bugle? I don't really know what people would want from a Marvel Legends playset and I think that's why you can toss this one out.

Now if you wanted to you could tie in the haslab with media as a way to get things out that just don't fit the budget of a regular wave, like a PS5 villains set or god forbid a ASM2 Rhino.

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the impact of the community opinions is vastly overstated.

 

Ain't that the truth. THAT couldn't be overstated enough. 

Use all the previous data we want, suggest how including this/that can get this funded instantly, blah blah. Majority of people on here & reddit didn't expect Giant-Man to perform the way it did on the final day. Hell it did better in one day than the entire EoV campaign. 

At end of the day - we don't know shit 😎 

 

I'm not talking about community opinions. I'm talking about actual backer numbers. The quicker and more consistently backer numbers increase, the likelihood of the project successful funding, by definition, increases. That absolutely does have an impact on potential backers' interest and willingness to join he project.

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the impact of the community opinions is vastly overstated.

 

Ain't that the truth. THAT couldn't be overstated enough. 

Use all the previous data we want, suggest how including this/that can get this funded instantly, blah blah. Majority of people on here & reddit didn't expect Giant-Man to perform the way it did on the final day. Hell it did better in one day than the entire EoV campaign. 

At end of the day - we don't know shit 😎 

 

 

I'm not talking about community opinions. I'm talking about actual backer numbers. The quicker and more consistently backer numbers increase, the likelihood of the project successful funding, by definition, increases. That absolutely does have an impact on potential backers' interest and willingness to join he project.

 

Oh I don't disagree with that at all, both things are true to me. Fence sitters will be fence sitters, and I'm sure majority of them understands the concept of a kickstarter. Converting the fence sitters into early backers is the ML team's job to figure out. 

We'll never know how many fence sitters there are in a campaign.

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In all the year ssince I started with Marvel (mid-80s), my mind has always kind of divided up the Marvel Universe into five corners; X-Men, Spider-Man, Avengers, F4/Cosmic, and Street Level/Marvel Knights/Mystic.

We've had the Sentinel (X-Universe), Galactus (F4/Marvel Cosmic), EoV (Street-level/Marvel Knights), and now Giant-Man (Avengers). While I always love to see X-Universe-related stuff, is there something from the Spider-Man corner that would work? It seems like that's the last main corner of the Marvel Universe that hasn't had a HasLab related project.

 

Well there's Leopardon but idk. It really needs to show up in Beyond the Spiderverse but that's at least a couple of years out.

 

Do people want a big ass Sandman? It'd be neat but also like not necessary and there's smaller options available so you'd run into the same issues with Giant Man.

 

Daily Bugle? I don't really know what people would want from a Marvel Legends playset and I think that's why you can toss this one out.

 

Now if you wanted to you could tie in the haslab with media as a way to get things out that just don't fit the budget of a regular wave, like a PS5 villains set or god forbid a ASM2 Rhino.

 

I like the idea of exploring all the different corners with the Haslab. Spidey next year and the X-Men can have 2025 - will they be in the MCU by then?

There is one member here (whose name I can't remember) who has argued that Leopardon would perform very well in Japan (and maybe other markets), potentially offsetting a tepid response in the US. I think I'd be in for him if they went for it, but I have to admit it doesn't get me that excited, especially as space for big guys is at a premium.

I've seen several people advocate for a Spider-Slayers set; personally I have no interest, but it is a big Spidey-themed item. I'd honestly prefer they do Big Wheel before Spider-Slayers, which definitely isn't likely.

I have about as much interest in a big Sandman as I do a big Apocalypse; I know they *can* be that big, but that's not how I picture them or want them displayed.

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45 days is more than enough for people to back a Haslab.

I was on the fence for Giant Man because I already have Galactus and the Sentinel.  While I love big action figures, space is limited.  This Giant Man was bigger than I would have liked him to be.  However, I really have loved all the Avengers 60th sets and figures.  What got me off the fence was when the Marvel team finally revealed that a 1st appearance Wasp is coming.  That and enjoying Giant Man in the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon sealed the deal.  I'll figure out where to put him in about a year 🙂