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Oops, forgot about Ego's avatar.  I always think of it as a planet.


   
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Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

Oops, forgot about Ego's avatar.  I always think of it as a planet.

Then you're absolutely right; we will never get that.

 


   
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My wild theory on Cassandra is that she was getting that third slot but then either wasn't approved in time or pulled last minute so they re-ran Logan with a new coat and threw in Headpool since no likeness rights.

Are the three D&W figures shipping in the same box or is each shipping separately? I can see why they wouldn't want Cassandra in with the former situation - there would end up being too many of her. But in a later wave where she wouldn't be accidentally over-saturated - for sure.


   
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Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

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I am still annoyed at the 5 main antagonists missing from the Infinity Saga era still and even more annoyed we get situations like High Evolutionary doesn't get made.

Never thought much about this.  Villains we have figures for are in bold:

  • Iron Man (2008) - Iron Monger
  • The Incredible Hulk (2008) - Abomination
  • Iron Man 2 (2010) - Whiplash
  • Thor (2011) - Loki
  • Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) - Red Skull
  • The Avengers (2012) - Loki
  • Iron Man 3 (2013) - Aldrich Killian
  • Thor: The Dark World (2013) - Malekith
  • Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) - Pierce
  • Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) - Ronan
  • Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) - Ultron
  • Ant-Man (2015) - Yellowjacket
  • Captain America: Civil War (2016) - Zemo
  • Doctor Strange (2016) - Kaecilius
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) - Ego
  • Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) - Vulture
  • Thor: Ragnarok (2017) - Hela
  • Black Panther (2018) - Killmonger
  • Avengers: Infinity War (2018) - Thanos
  • Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018) - Ghost
  • Captain Marvel (2019) - Yon-Rogg
  • Avengers: Endgame (2019) - Thanos
  • Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019) - Mysterio
  • Black Widow (2021) - Taskmaster
  • Shang-Chi (2021) - The Mandarin
  • Eternals (2021) - Kro
  • Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021) - Green Goblin
  • Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) - Scarlet Witch
  • Thor: Love and Thunder (2022) - Gorr
  • Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022) - Namor
  • Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023) - Kang
  • Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (2023) - High Evolutionary
  • The Marvels (2023) - Dar-Benn
  • Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) - Cassandra Nova

 

Some of those are debatable--for example you can say Dormammu was the main antagonist of Doctor Strange, Supreme Intelligence was the main antagonist of Captain Marvel, or General Dreykov was the main antagonist of Black Widow, but we barely saw any of those on-screen so it's hard to count them over their minions that were in the films beginning to end.

We'll never get Killian, Malekith, Pierce, Kaecilius, or Ego.  Abomination, Whiplash, High Evolutionary, Dar-Benn, and Cassandra Nova are definitely all oversights.  We've gotten 24 villains and missed 10 with 5 of those not being toyetic.  We didn't get Abomination and Whiplash because those were the dark days, and the most recent three I can't really account for, particularly High Evolutionary as you noted.

 

Cassandra Nova I am hoping comes in a 2nd D&W wave cause they seem to hint we should get one. I am also okay getting say, Winter Soldier over Pierce since he is dude in suit. But other than that, make the frigging villains! High Evolutionary really has no excuse for not being made, and how likely is it we ever get back to Dar-Benn since that movie flopped? It's a massive pet peeve of mine when they do this. Like you said, the 5 I was referring to (Abomination, Whiplash, Killian, Malekith, and Kaecilius) are very unlikely at this point and I consider them to be massive gaps. This becomes more frequent, and I know I will be less into the line overall

 


   
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I'd say Dar-Benn will never get made, which is too bad cos the trio of heroes we got from that move were top-shelf versions of the characters. I think that's my favorite likeness of MCU Carol. 

I haven't seen D&W yet but I'd still pick up Cassandra if they made her - she's a sincere enough physical interpretation of the character she could stand in on the comic book shelf. I think the only other MCU character who has worked that well for me was America Chavez (though I'd still prefer they some day make a legit comic book version of her, even if the movie version can hang with the comics folks). 

I say this to be funny, but not really - I bet we're more likely to get a figure of whoever they cast Mads as in his second go around with the MCU than we are to see Kaecilius. 


   
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Is that Red Hulk wearing yoga pants?


   
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How’s about a MCU 2-pack with Whiplash and Justin Hammer.  I’d buy it.


   
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Why is everyone so down on Kaecilius? The actor isn't cancelled and the character isn't problematic. The actor already has one Hasbro figure - it's terrible, but it exists.

Though now that I think about it I don't think I've seen any Kaecilius customs using Galen Erso's head. Maybe there isn't demand!

He and Ancient One would be a great two-pack.

Anyway, BNW - really disappointed Hasbro's going with $39.99 for these figures. Not gonna happen, and no unhelmeted Joaquin head is lame.

I was gonna say I'm surprised they aren't making Ross - but then I realized they've made 82 billion Harrison Ford likenesses and I can just headswap. Thank goodness I never got rid of the Archive TFA Han!! 😉


   
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Posted by: @schizm

The actor already has one Hasbro figure - it's terrible, but it exists.

Two! He was in an Indiana Jones movie as well.

 


   
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He (Kaecilius) and Ancient One would be a great two-pack.

 

Honestly, this would be the worst selling two pack since Luis & Ghost.    Like I get why people want it - but there is no chance it would be at ALL successful at retail.    Zero.      So, unless it could be done as almost entirely re-use -  new heads only -  and sold in limited quantities as a Pulse exclusive they just wouldn't do it.   

 

The lesson Hasbro learned with basically every minor MCU character they've done is that they are clearance bound every time.   

 

And I suspect the reason you haven't seen people customize the Star Wars Black Erso into a Kaecilius is that the SWB figures are significantly smaller than the Marvel Legends figures and the head wouldn't work very well on a Legends scale body and on an appropriate body might look tiny next to other Legends figures,  but that's just a guess.

 


   
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Posted by: @panthercult

Posted by: @schizm

He (Kaecilius) and Ancient One would be a great two-pack.

 

Honestly, this would be the worst selling two pack since Luis & Ghost.    Like I get why people want it - but there is no chance it would be at ALL successful at retail.    Zero.      So, unless it could be done as almost entirely re-use -  new heads only -  and sold in limited quantities as a Pulse exclusive they just wouldn't do it.   

 

The lesson Hasbro learned with basically every minor MCU character they've done is that they are clearance bound every time.   

 

And I suspect the reason you haven't seen people customize the Star Wars Black Erso into a Kaecilius is that the SWB figures are significantly smaller than the Marvel Legends figures and the head wouldn't work very well on a Legends scale body and on an appropriate body might look tiny next to other Legends figures,  but that's just a guess.

 

If they packed in comic heads with both I'd certainly pick this up. I don't need comic Kaecilius in his boring "I wish I could be a Great Gambonno brother" costume, and while I'd much prefer the Ancient One in his comic purple and gold look, a good head on the movie costume gets you pretty far. The robes could hide the frame enough that I think it would work - Tilda Swinton's portrayal was deliberately androgynous anyway.

Of course, they've literally never done a comic/MCU head swap figure. and I still think the set wouldn't fly off the shelves. Just trying to get more Dr. Strange world in my life.

 


   
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Again my counter to the peg warming argument is a go to Ollie's and see plenty of comic figures that end up there no one buys. I saw the Cobra guy from the Serpent Society on pegs for over 2 years, and they still make Serpent Society guys. Same for comic Malekith and many others. The goal is not to make a million peg warming items, but they clearly still make characters they know may not sell to fill out a wave.

On the Kaecilius front, a 2 pack like Ancient One and Kaecilius only ever happens if they do another MCU based premium line. They don't make that 2 pack for any other reason. Kaecilius would be a cheap figure to make, and would be an easy pack in if they decided to make an Ancient One. The only other way I can see Kaecilius being made is if in Dr Strange 3, Dormammu has a Mindless One that Kaecilius has now become and we get that figure as a BAF or something. That's knly way I see him coming at this point. I am down on the prospects of another MCU premium line.


   
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Posted by: @e-rock

Again my counter to the peg warming argument is a go to Ollie's and see plenty of comic figures that end up there no one buys. I saw the Cobra guy from the Serpent Society on pegs for over 2 years, and they still make Serpent Society guys. Same for comic Malekith and many others. The goal is not to make a million peg warming items, but they clearly still make characters they know may not sell to fill out a wave.

On the Kaecilius front, a 2 pack like Ancient One and Kaecilius only ever happens if they do another MCU based premium line. They don't make that 2 pack for any other reason. Kaecilius would be a cheap figure to make, and would be an easy pack in if they decided to make an Ancient One. The only other way I can see Kaecilius being made is if in Dr Strange 3, Dormammu has a Mindless One that Kaecilius has now become and we get that figure as a BAF or something. That's knly way I see him coming at this point. I am down on the prospects of another MCU premium line.

A big difference there is the cost to make them - Rock Python was a head on a body that was reused 100 times. MCU figures have limited reuse potential.

But - and this is my preoccupation on this topic whenever it comes up - none of us has any idea how many of each figure is produced, so we really can't gauge how well they sold based on what we see hanging around. They might have made 20x as many of one figure versus another, so seeing a lot more of one lingering on pegs can't really tell us much about how well it actually performed.

 


   
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Again my counter to the peg warming argument is a go to Ollie's and see plenty of comic figures that end up there no one buys. I saw the Cobra guy from the Serpent Society on pegs for over 2 years, and they still make Serpent Society guys. Same for comic Malekith and many others. The goal is not to make a million peg warming items, but they clearly still make characters they know may not sell to fill out a wave.

On the Kaecilius front, a 2 pack like Ancient One and Kaecilius only ever happens if they do another MCU based premium line. They don't make that 2 pack for any other reason. Kaecilius would be a cheap figure to make, and would be an easy pack in if they decided to make an Ancient One. The only other way I can see Kaecilius being made is if in Dr Strange 3, Dormammu has a Mindless One that Kaecilius has now become and we get that figure as a BAF or something. That's knly way I see him coming at this point. I am down on the prospects of another MCU premium line.

A big difference there is the cost to make them - Rock Python was a head on a body that was reused 100 times. MCU figures have limited reuse potential.

But - and this is my preoccupation on this topic whenever it comes up - none of us has any idea how many of each figure is produced, so we really can't gauge how well they sold based on what we see hanging around. They might have made 20x as many of one figure versus another, so seeing a lot more of one lingering on pegs can't really tell us much about how well it actually performed.

 

 

That's another thing, that Luis and Ghost pack that peg warmed was probably really cheap. Cause Luis was just the suited figure they have released a million times. I am sure when they budgeted that 80th line out, they knew that would sell worse than something like 80th Thor or Cap or on the MCU side the Iron Spider & Iron Man 2 pack did. But who knows if that item met its sales goal. In the last Saga line they did, the Gold Iron Man and Happy set was clearly a budget 2 pack they did to save on the line cause things like Surtur or Iron Monger were vastly more expesnive, I am sure. So, I don't think if they did another Saga type line with the MCU, making Kaecilius would be out of the question in a 2 pack with the Ancient One cause....he'd be cheap to do. He would probably just be OG Mordo with a new paint job and head. But yeah I would agree odds of him being made outside of a program like that are slim cause he isn't an exclusive or something that would sell.

 


   
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