There's a lot of lower tier fan-requested characters who get screwed a bit by opportunity, IMO. Like, people bring up the classic Guardians of the Galaxy a lot as a glaring omission, but the issue there is the Guardians as a franchise only ever get waves when they have a movie in theaters, and for obvious reasons movie figures take priority in those waves. Ditto for characters from the Black Panther, Thor, Eternals and Namor corners of the Marvel Universe. So the end result is if you want comic figures of characters like Starfox, M'Baku, Attuma, Skurge, the original Guardians, etc, you're usually only gonna get them in a comic Avengers wave, where they're competing for slots against dozens, if not hundreds of other characters. I don't really know what the solution is. We finally got a solo Iron Man comic wave again recently, so maybe Hasbro might be willing to try something like that for Black Panther, Thor or the Guardians in the future.
I focus on movie collecting, and I aint saying no redos ever. But when we get like a Marvel Studios Legacy or psst movie line, I do want to see a few new characters. That MCU wave last year with like Civil War Iron Man, War Machine, etc. was an example of what I hate. That wave was effectively all redos with 1 easy kitbash and a slight repaint. That's all I am asking for
Them adding Man-Thing (a new character with a mostly new sculpt) to the MCU series this year gives me hope they're still going back to add missing characters as time goes on.
I hope they do a better job of it. I like the addition of the Outriders this year as well. I am not even saying never put out old figures or new Iron Man or Spider-Man figures and such ever. I am just saying when we get these legacy waves and such, instead of 7 redos it would be nice to maybe get 5 old characters and maybe a Whiplash or a character people have been waiting on. Don't even have to do high effort ones. Someone like Kaecilius would be easy to do with their existing molds. That's all I am saying
I do get pretty annoyed at what seems to be intentional 1 or 2 things off on a figure's design to string you along to buy it a 3rd time. Cheeto Tigra, too small a shield 80th Cap, etc. I think there is something to be said for redoing characters over time with legit improvements. Otherwise why would we buy anything after Toybiz. Also of course for style choices. I don't consider Peter Parker to be done bc I don't really like that animated style jacket Peter look. If they did a Ditko yellow sweater or Nehru jacket Romita Sr Peter I'd be happy to buy it. The close but no cigar Classic Falcons are indeed maddening. 3 runs at Brother Voodoo and not doing a different costume even once is downright bizarre. IM Classics waves with 3 of the 6 slots being IM seemed a bit excessive. As does everytime they do a FF wave and 4 of 6 slots disappear right off the back.
The NBA has enjoyed Seattle and Vegas not having a team for a long time b/c it allowed them to threaten cities who balk at building new stadiums with moving their teams to those markets. The NFL did something similar for years with the LA market. Eventually they had to deliver though.
I'm that guy who will buy every single C and D list character they make for the very first time, but I'm burnt out on buying a new Peter Parker Spider-Man or Steve Rogers Captain America just about every year and then turning around and selling the last version for next to nothing. Yes, I always want the "definitive" version, but how many "do-overs" of each character do we have to buy to get there? I've been doing this dance for over 20 years now with this line. I guess that I should only blame myself for expecting anything to change.
This is similar to my frustration point. Do it right the first time! Don't make Tigra a ridiculous color just so you can resell her later and waste a slot where Firebird could go. Nail the C-list characters the first time and keep releasing NEW ONES. They sell better the higher the quality - this is proven time and again.
I *completely* agree about getting characters as close to right the first time as possible. Tigra is one of the most egregious examples - while neon orange is technically true to the pages of some comics, the second release was closer to her iconic look in most books, and we all know it.
I will say though, we actually have no idea how it impacts sales - my instinct is also to say that a higher quality figure done right the first time will move more units, but I've got absolutely nothing to actually back that up. The fact that they keep doing it does seem to suggest that it's serving some function they consider worthwhile, even though it's irritating to us.
I feel like we do this song and dance every few months so I'll keep it brief.
As a sports fan you get this - if you aren't having the same argument over and over for your whole life, are you even a fan?
I'm somewhat piggybacking off of h-bird here (what's new). With the reveal of Destiny and Crystal, the list of notable characters without figures is miniscule. Rachel is at least a C-list X-Man and Executioner is a C-list Avengers/Thor foe, but outside of that, I'd argue everyone else is a D-lister. There are comic fans who don't know Attuma, Titania, or Jack of Hearts.
I'd also be curious to see how you, Mr. No Re-Dos, feel about the likes of Banshee and Beta Ray Bill. We have a Banshee in his classic duds. Same with Bill, even though it came out 18 years ago. A full adult person ago.
First of all - I would NEVER begrudge anyone an updated Banshee or Beta Ray Bill in their classic outfits. That isn't what I'm talking about (and you know it)
And I know I'm whistling in the wind - especially when I'm whining about Spider-Man rogues - since Spidey is always going to get more attention, even his C and D list baddies - Kraven, Scropion, Shocker - will get multiple figures because Spider-Man gets higher frequency attention and the overall Spider-pool is smaller than the wider Marvel Universe. But, I'll be honest - I was super stoked at that rumored line up for the next Spider-Man wave. Not a single redo in the bunch. Even though it includes a couple of Spider-variants I'm unfamiliar with, I'm happy - I'd rather have those than another bite at the same-ol', same-ol'.
But, also your use of the word "notable" above is doing a lot of work - and is hardly an objective term. There is no quantifiable measure for "notable". Are Skurge, Attuma and M'Baku notable? They have all appeared in major motion pictures.
Rachel Summers is C-list, sure. But is she less notable than Captain Britain? Couldn't they have included her in that 3-pack instead of packing him in again when we just got a figure of him?
And let's be honest - comic waves of Marvel Legends aren't relying on a ton of casual consumers at this point or we wouldn't be getting Quentin Quire and Maggot in the first place. And yes, I recognize that me typing those names steps on my point a bit.
The deal is, I know I'm spitting in the wind, whining about revisions of the same characters instead of new characters. I KNOW. But I'm going to do it anyway - to make sure Hasbro knows they need to keep balancing the new and the old and it won't be cool to shift to a line that just remakes past hits over and over.
If they'd made Rachel in that 3-pack instead of Brian, I'd be pining after a proper Excalibur Captain Britain today just as hard as I am for Phoenix. The Abomination wave Cap Britain we got before that wouldn't cut it next to Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Meggan anymore than the Brood wave Rachel would.
More importantly though, is there any way we aren't getting Rachel with that new Phoenix effect? That's basically a given at this point, right? It'd be crazy if they don't get her out in the next year.
If they'd made Rachel in that 3-pack instead of Brian, I'd be pining after a proper Excalibur Captain Britain today just as hard as I am for Phoenix. The Abomination wave Cap Britain we got before that wouldn't cut it next to Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Meggan anymore than the Brood wave Rachel would.
So, I know this won't be satisfying to you - but if the Abomination Brian didn't work for you the fact is that there was a Toy Biz Captain Britain in the appropriate costume already as well . The same cannot be said for Rachel Phoenix.
More importantly though, is there any way we aren't getting Rachel with that new Phoenix effect? That's basically a given at this point, right? It'd be crazy if they don't get her out in the next year.
I mean - normally I'd think sure - but how many Phoenix/Dark Phoenix iterations has Hasbro already made without giving us Rachel Phoenix? It feels like a lot. It's at least 2 in green and 2 in red (is it really not more?) Maybe they're going to do Jean Phoenix in the white costume on that base first. And then Dark Phoenix. They may drag this damn thing out forever.... sigh
I'm surprised, like many of you, that they haven't dedicated an evergreen "line" to continually have versions of traditional Spidey, Wolverine, Cap and Tony on the shelves.
I've never understood this and never will. Those characters are the gateway drug to the wider Legends line.
If I was Hasbro, every November I'd offer retailers a 60 or so figure floor display with about ten different heavy hitters in classic looks (add Thor, Hulk, Human Torch, Thing, Daredevil, Cyclops). I'd be stunned if they didn't sell out in a few days, and I'd be stunned if it didn't get some new people into the line looking for other characters to go with them during the coming year.
Guys, guys, guys. All this arguing about who still needs to be made and no one’s mentioned by far the most glaring omission:
If they'd made Rachel in that 3-pack instead of Brian, I'd be pining after a proper Excalibur Captain Britain today just as hard as I am for Phoenix. The Abomination wave Cap Britain we got before that wouldn't cut it next to Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Meggan anymore than the Brood wave Rachel would.
So, I know this won't be satisfying to you - but if the Abomination Brian didn't work for you the fact is that there was a Toy Biz Captain Britain in the appropriate costume already as well . The same cannot be said for Rachel Phoenix.
More importantly though, is there any way we aren't getting Rachel with that new Phoenix effect? That's basically a given at this point, right? It'd be crazy if they don't get her out in the next year.
I mean - normally I'd think sure - but how many Phoenix/Dark Phoenix iterations has Hasbro already made without giving us Rachel Phoenix? It feels like a lot. It's at least 2 in green and 2 in red (is it really not more?) Maybe they're going to do Jean Phoenix in the white costume on that base first. And then Dark Phoenix. They may drag this damn thing out forever.... sigh
Naaaah, c'mon. I loved Toy Biz as much as anyone, and I'll defend keeping certain figures around no problem. But that wimpy, wrinkly mess of a Captain Britain was barely passable when it came out 20 years ago. Retro carded Phoenix with a short-haired Widow head is a more acceptable Rachel before puny pruny Brian gets stuck on my shelf to be shorter than Kitty.
Hopefully she is coming though, and hopefully in another multipack - but this time one that includes Widget, Kylun, Cerise, Micromax, and a better head for Shadowcat.
Yes! Spider-Woman using the Warbird body would be amazing.None of this is terribly exciting for me - I'm just hoping to see some of these new bodies repurposed for worthy updates. Spider Woman on the new Ms. Marvel body would be amazing. Banshee repaint... just do it.
First of all - I would NEVER begrudge anyone an updated Banshee or Beta Ray Bill in their classic outfits. That isn't what I'm talking about (and you know it)
I earnestly don't. In this thread you've been a little more clear about it. You're cool with Spider-Man getting remade, but not Kraven. Thing is, I'd argue Kraven is just as important to the longevity of the line as Spider-Man.
Kraven isn't Venom or Green Goblin, but he's what, a top-five Spider-Man foe? If I were a new collector and Kraven was $250, I might not start collecting in the first place. I also don't think one guy asking for a new Bullseye on the Punisher body is emblematic of a larger trend.
But, also your use of the word "notable" above is doing a lot of work - and is hardly an objective term. There is no quantifiable measure for "notable". Are Skurge, Attuma and M'Baku notable? They have all appeared in major motion pictures.
Rachel Summers is C-list, sure. But is she less notable than Captain Britain? Couldn't they have included her in that 3-pack instead of packing him in again when we just got a figure of him?
You're right that it is subjective. For me, once they do Skurge and Rachel, they'll have hit all the C-listers. Those are characters I'd expect a guy in a comic shop to recognize. I wouldn't expect the same guy to recognize Attuma, Starfox, or Marrina (who are all in the unofficial Fwoosh top 20). For you as a Black Panther/Avengers fan, I can see why that'd be frustrating to hear. I'm not dismissing you, for the record. I hope Attuma, M'Baku, etc. are all made. If they keep peppering in Kraven and Spider-Man, I bet they will be. 😉
I also don't think MCU Mantis, mostly unrecognizable from her comic counterpart, is a good measuring stick for her popularity. Same for Attuma, who I honestly forgot was in Wakanda Forever. There's a fascinating conversation to be had about how MCU appearances impact a character's cultural relevance. With hundreds (or even thousands?) of MCU characters and diminishing box office returns, I think it's less than we think. A non-comic fan could probably pick out Mantis as the crazy lady from Guardians, but I doubt it'd go much further than that.
As far as Rachel, I couldn't agree more. As Beamish said, Hasbro's clearly using her as bait for the collectors who are planning to close up shop once they complete Excalibur. It's a little juvenile to say it's an insult that X character hasn't been made yet, but I'm honestly getting there with Rachel. I think she's pretty easily the most significant Marvel character without an action figure.
FWIW, a piece of my soul shrivels up and dies every time Hasbro announces an X-Men wave without hitting at least one of my major wants. I know the MCU X-Men are on the horizon. X-Men '97 was a huge hit and will be eating up a ton of X-Men slots over the next few years. That said, I know those things will keep the line strong. And a strong line means I'll eventually get armored Betsy, even if I have to wait until 2030.
I want every figure that was done on that crap of a Bucky Cap body redone on any of the new bodies that fits the figures build. However Nova and Quasar were redone on the improved Bucky Cap body so those two can stay as is.
As far as Rachel, I couldn't agree more. As Beamish said, Hasbro's clearly using her as bait for the collectors who are planning to close up shop once they complete Excalibur.
So we finally got Wolfsbane - I didn't hear anyone say, upon opening her, "That's it - my shelf is complete! It's been fun, y'all, but I'm out!"
Did anyone hear that from anyone?
They could just release Rachel in the black Excalibur costume with a hound marks head. Everyone would complain about wanting the red version with a neutral face, which would come later.
They could just release Rachel in the black Excalibur costume with a hound marks head. Everyone would complain about wanting the red version with a neutral face, which would come later.
Man... I'm actually mad at you for putting this out into the world because dammit - now that's what's going to happen. They're going to release black costumed "hound suit" Rachel and be like "what, you've been asking for Rachel Summers, now you got her... "
They've been playing the same game with Banshee in his green and yellow. There is no reason at all that they haven't delivered on that already other than they like trolling the fans about it.
@panthercult it really has started to feel like trolling at this point. A lot of attention goes to Rachel and Feral, but look how long the Superior Foes of Spiderman has been one Overdrive away from completion.
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