You say that and yet 20+ years in and still no Rachel Summers, Attuma, Skurge, Starfox it's a long time to wait for some regular mainstays when a dude like Kraven gets five figures and people still want an updated version or people are asking for another Bullseye figure...
At this point, any key characters like that which haven't been made over the last 10 years (when they may have released nearly 1000 figures) can't be blamed on the re-dos taking slots but Hasbro's character selection decisions. They've had plenty of opportunity to make those figures and keep the big names in the line and make improved versions of some characters.
At this point, any key characters like that which haven't been made over the last 10 years (when they may have released nearly 1000 figures) can't be blamed on the re-dos taking slots but Hasbro's character selection decisions. They've had plenty of opportunity to make those figures and keep the big names in the line and make improved versions of some characters.
So there is some obvious truth to this... there are all kinds of calculations that go into making these line up choices.
Some of them are simply the capricious preferences of the design team. Some of them are marketing demands from Marvel themselves. Some of them are a financial need to keep revisiting the major players who do, indeed, sell better than the c and d listers. I've been doing this a looooooong time, I get it.
But it doesn't mean I don't still resent a new Spidey wave including an updated Kraven or Bullseye or whoever instead of finally giving me Will O' the Wisp. It doesn't mean I don't curse the fact that Captain Britain was cheaper to make (and a man) so he gets included in an Excalibur 3-pack instead of Rachel phoenix who would cost more to produce - even though we just got a new CB in a BAF wave not that long before.
I can understand it and still be annoyed by it.
I get it, I find it annoying as well - but I guess I have moved from being annoyed about "why are they making this character again" to being more annoyed about "why haven't they made this character yet" given the line has ample time to do both.
I know that sounds like the same thing, but I feel like it is different. I can point to 100 characters or re-dos that I think shouldn't have been made before Attuma or Rachel or many Thor related figures - to the point it no longer seems like they had hard choices and limited slots, but they are purposely not doing some characters.
All three Brother Voodoo's say "hey!" in their matching outfits.
Not undermining the long wait for these characters - and the ones named are all on my top 10 list - but the number of characters we have gotten keeps me from getting too worked up about it. That "must-have/how can they not have made this yet" list looked a lot different 3 or 5 years ago - we've gotten such a huge variety of characters, and it's only a matter of time before they get to the rest. They aren't perfect, and there are plenty of things I would consider fumbles, but whatever they're doing is working to keep the line viable long enough to get our Starfoxes and Attumas - who, lets be honest, are only at the top of the "must have" list because they've made so many other of the other characters with a much higher profile.
I'm 99% checked out of these so far. I have no interest in movie figures, animated or live-action, and the only Spidey figure that I want is Princess Python.
I'm glad they are making all these other pieces for those that want them, truly, but they are outside my circle of interest.
Yeah but... considering the unprecedented run of the Legends line, the popularity of the updates to the latest innovations on the big names have kept things going long enough that we *can* get to the real obscure guys. Might take a while, but the line will keep going long enough to get to them.
You say that and yet 20+ years in and still no Rachel Summers, Attuma, Skurge, Starfox it's a long time to wait for some regular mainstays when a dude like Kraven gets five figures and people still want an updated version or people are asking for another Bullseye figure...
I feel like we do this song and dance every few months so I'll keep it brief.
I'm somewhat piggybacking off of h-bird here (what's new). With the reveal of Destiny and Crystal, the list of notable characters without figures is miniscule. Rachel is at least a C-list X-Man and Executioner is a C-list Avengers/Thor foe, but outside of that, I'd argue everyone else is a D-lister. There are comic fans who don't know Attuma, Titania, or Jack of Hearts.
I'm not saying you shouldn't continue your crusade for the F-tier characters, but Hasbro has been an excellent steward of the line. If I'm not mistaken, Destiny never even got a 5" Toy Biz figure, and they made everybody. Imagine telling yourself in 2002 that Marvel Legends would eventually see a Princess Python and Slyde.
I'd also be curious to see how you, Mr. No Re-Dos, feel about the likes of Banshee and Beta Ray Bill. We have a Banshee in his classic duds. Same with Bill, even though it came out 18 years ago. A full adult person ago.
I focus on movie collecting, and I aint saying no redos ever. But when we get like a Marvel Studios Legacy or past movie line, I do want to see a few new characters. That MCU wave last year with like Civil War Iron Man, War Machine, etc. was an example of what I hate. That wave was effectively all redos with 1 easy kitbash and a slight repaint. That's all I am asking for
I'll happily abide the 200th Wolverine if it keeps the line going long enough to get characters like Hypno Hustler and Slyde. Let me skip the next Wolverine and give me a Rocket Racer. Win/Win.
I feel like we do this song and dance every few months so I'll keep it brief.
As a sports fan you get this - if you aren't having the same argument over and over for your whole life, are you even a fan?
I'm somewhat piggybacking off of h-bird here (what's new). With the reveal of Destiny and Crystal, the list of notable characters without figures is miniscule. Rachel is at least a C-list X-Man and Executioner is a C-list Avengers/Thor foe, but outside of that, I'd argue everyone else is a D-lister. There are comic fans who don't know Attuma, Titania, or Jack of Hearts.
I'd also be curious to see how you, Mr. No Re-Dos, feel about the likes of Banshee and Beta Ray Bill. We have a Banshee in his classic duds. Same with Bill, even though it came out 18 years ago. A full adult person ago.
First of all - I would NEVER begrudge anyone an updated Banshee or Beta Ray Bill in their classic outfits. That isn't what I'm talking about (and you know it)
And I know I'm whistling in the wind - especially when I'm whining about Spider-Man rogues - since Spidey is always going to get more attention, even his C and D list baddies - Kraven, Scropion, Shocker - will get multiple figures because Spider-Man gets higher frequency attention and the overall Spider-pool is smaller than the wider Marvel Universe. But, I'll be honest - I was super stoked at that rumored line up for the next Spider-Man wave. Not a single redo in the bunch. Even though it includes a couple of Spider-variants I'm unfamiliar with, I'm happy - I'd rather have those than another bite at the same-ol', same-ol'.
But, also your use of the word "notable" above is doing a lot of work - and is hardly an objective term. There is no quantifiable measure for "notable". Are Skurge, Attuma and M'Baku notable? They have all appeared in major motion pictures.
Rachel Summers is C-list, sure. But is she less notable than Captain Britain? Couldn't they have included her in that 3-pack instead of packing him in again when we just got a figure of him?
And let's be honest - comic waves of Marvel Legends aren't relying on a ton of casual consumers at this point or we wouldn't be getting Quentin Quire and Maggot in the first place. And yes, I recognize that me typing those names steps on my point a bit.
The deal is, I know I'm spitting in the wind, whining about revisions of the same characters instead of new characters. I KNOW. But I'm going to do it anyway - to make sure Hasbro knows they need to keep balancing the new and the old and it won't be cool to shift to a line that just remakes past hits over and over.
Hey hey hey. Settle down. Skurge is a B list Avengers villain. He’s a Ceeee list Marvel character
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I understand your frustration, and where it’s coming from. It’s essentially the “How many Spider-mans /Wolverines/Iron Mans do we need?” argument. What that argument fails to take into consideration, is the regular influx of new collectors. There’s always a presence of people new to the line, who’ve discovered comics, and/or have gotten disposable income they didn’t have previously. These new collectors want a Spidey/Wolvie/Iron Man for their collections too, without paying ridiculous prices for old toys. Hasbro recognizes this. So as long as people are buying those A-listers, Hasbro will keep making them.
They also know that established collectors want new characters, so they mix newer B,C,D listers in the waves, counting on the A listers to help move the wave. For every Slyde that sells, multiple Spideys will sell, as he’s more recognizable, and popular. The A-listers are what keeps the Legends line alive. Hasbro knows this, and is trying to keep a balance for both new and old collectors.
This may be nothing new to you, but sometimes we need reminding. Hasbro is in a business to make money, so they can stay in business. As much as we all want volumes of new characters that we, individually, desire, that model won’t keep making Hasbro a profit.
There's a lot of lower tier fan-requested characters who get screwed a bit by opportunity, IMO. Like, people bring up the classic Guardians of the Galaxy a lot as a glaring omission, but the issue there is the Guardians as a franchise only ever get waves when they have a movie in theaters, and for obvious reasons movie figures take priority in those waves. Ditto for characters from the Black Panther, Thor, Eternals and Namor corners of the Marvel Universe. So the end result is if you want comic figures of characters like Starfox, M'Baku, Attuma, Skurge, the original Guardians, etc, you're usually only gonna get them in a comic Avengers wave, where they're competing for slots against dozens, if not hundreds of other characters. I don't really know what the solution is. We finally got a solo Iron Man comic wave again recently, so maybe Hasbro might be willing to try something like that for Black Panther, Thor or the Guardians in the future.
I focus on movie collecting, and I aint saying no redos ever. But when we get like a Marvel Studios Legacy or psst movie line, I do want to see a few new characters. That MCU wave last year with like Civil War Iron Man, War Machine, etc. was an example of what I hate. That wave was effectively all redos with 1 easy kitbash and a slight repaint. That's all I am asking for
Them adding Man-Thing (a new character with a mostly new sculpt) to the MCU series this year gives me hope they're still going back to add missing characters as time goes on.
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