Based on what Mattel did between MOTUC and DCUC, I think it’s easier for parts to go one way than another. Like Mattel could use parts tooled for MOTU in DCUC because that’s their line and property. If they wanted to go the other way they’d have to ask DC for permission.
I’d imagine it’d be the same with Hasbro. Although have any of their modern lines shared parts? All I can think of is the occasional pair of legs between Black Series and Indiana Jones.
Of course it also seems like there’s frustratingly little collaboration between teams. Like how the Legends team couldn’t sort out how to articulate Lockjaw when the Joe team does animals so well. Or how the DND figures have such poor movement in their articulation when most every other Hasbro line does so well.
Based on what Mattel did between MOTUC and DCUC, I think it’s easier for parts to go one way than another. Like Mattel could use parts tooled for MOTU in DCUC because that’s their line and property. If they wanted to go the other way they’d have to ask DC for permission.
I’d imagine it’d be the same with Hasbro. Although have any of their modern lines shared parts? All I can think of is the occasional pair of legs between Black Series and Indiana Jones.
Of course it also seems like there’s frustratingly little collaboration between teams. Like how the Legends team couldn’t sort out how to articulate Lockjaw when the Joe team does animals so well. Or how the DND figures have such poor movement in their articulation when most every other Hasbro line does so well.
This has always been my understanding going way back to the SDCC Zabu that reused a GI Joe Six Sigma figure. Hasbro is free to share the molds of their own properties to use in licensed properties, but reusing a ML mold for GI Joe Classified would be a no-no without some sort of clearance.
Still happy to be getting Destiny finally - I'm just finding myself increasingly annoyed at painted on details that should be sculpted. I still haven't picked up the Void wave Vision for that reason - the boots, gloves, and torso details just kill me. Hoping Mafex gives him a go.
Also, I don’t think Rogue could fly at this point in her appearances.
Her first appearance is in Avengers Annual #10, and that's the same issue she stole Ms. Marvel's powers. So at the start of that issue she couldn't fly, but by the end she could. She had Ms. Marvel's powers from her first appearance in Uncanny X-Men #158 onwards. She wore a different costume in #158 shown below, but they did put her back into the costume that this figure has in issues after #158. She was still a villain as of #158, but Claremont flipped her and she asked the X-Men to help her starting in #171.
This costume has a darker-shaded color that I never fully understood what color they were going for that's evident in the cover to #171 shown below, but the style of it does match this costume so maybe I'm just misunderstanding the coloring and this figure does match it perfectly. The coloring discrepancy reminds me of the confusion surrounding Storm's white/silver/black costume where we were never sure from the shading which of those colors it was supposed to be. Anyone know what they're going for on the cover to #171 below? It's shaded like that inside of both Avengers Annual #10 and Uncanny X-Men #171--I just checked and confirmed that. I know they're doing it to communicate that it's a shiny plastic kind of material like Storm had, but what actual color it is with flat, even lighting such as the figure has to have confuses me.
When I see something heavily shaded like that, my first impulses are it's either an EXTREMELY dark shade of whatever color the highlights are, or, like you, that it's some kind of shiny material. So I'm going to say her outfit there is just a REALLY dark shade of green.
Of course it also seems like there’s frustratingly little collaboration between teams. Like how the Legends team couldn’t sort out how to articulate Lockjaw when the Joe team does animals so well. Or how the DND figures have such poor movement in their articulation when most every other Hasbro line does so well.
You don't even need to compare to the Classified animals. Legends made my favorite BAF this year, Zabu. And it's articulated SO WELL. It was a total shock and disappointment that they didn't handle Lockjaw similarly. However, I do appreciate ankle tilts. That seems to get better poses than just knee joints. The MotUO Battle Cat and Panthor have knees, but no ankles, but you can really only get one decent pose with the cats. I've gotten several acceptable poses for Lockjaw that I'm happy with.
It does seem odd they don't share between lines more, especially base bodies - like taking the legs from a Fortnite figure for use in Legends, most people would never notice - and it hardly seems like it would be a problem from an IP standpoint if generic enough. Could have to do with accounting and tracking expenses related to a specific license?
But it could also be that they produce different lines in different factories so sharing physical molds and tooling and paint masks and so on doesn't make sense, so they stick to their own inventory or make what they need.
When I see something heavily shaded like that, my first impulses are it's either an EXTREMELY dark shade of whatever color the highlights are, or, like you, that it's some kind of shiny material. So I'm going to say her outfit there is just a REALLY dark shade of green.
Which is a valid perspective given the uncertainty of the intended color. But we know from the figure that the Legends designer who chose her color interpreted it differently.
I'd tend to side with them over us since they have more skin in the game than we do, but aside from that it's a toss up from my perspective. I can't tell if the Marvel artists meant dark green or shiny light green.
Still happy to be getting Destiny finally - I'm just finding myself increasingly annoyed at painted on details that should be sculpted. I still haven't picked up the Void wave Vision for that reason - the boots, gloves, and torso details just kill me. Hoping Mafex gives him a go.
This is where I'm at, too. I've become numb to domestic action figures costing $25-$40 a pop, but they really need to go the extra mile at that price. Hasbro has been trending toward going the extra mile, which makes it all the more frustrating when they don't.
I have a ton of recent good examples: Hyperion's torso thing, Target Black Widow's sculpted zipper, and Astonishing Cyclops and Wolverine's sculpted piping. It makes the likes of Vision, Phoenix, and this Rogue stand out. Every figure can't be a home run, but we can set some basic standards.
I bought the Phoenix set for the stand. I like the MAFEX colors, headsculpt, and sculpted boots more. Those were all fixable elements.
(I know there's an argument that the boots are somehow part of the costume, but I don't understand that. It's clearly her boots:
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Next time we see a Green Goblin, it needs to be on a Green Goblin-specific body, not a scale-armor body. I'm happy to support the Legends line at this price, but they need to do right by us.
Lockjaw is just generally a huge disappointment for me. The poor leg articulation and the non-classic comic face really make him a fail in my eyes.
My set is on its way as we speak, and truthfully I've been giving serious thought to putting him up for sale, hoping an improved version will come eventually, and just keeping Crystal.
So, I got the Rogue/Destiny 2-pack last night, and like others have pointed out the severe lack of accessories in this is hugely disappointing, especially compared to the other 2-packs we've recently gotten. The figures are nice, and I'm glad to add them to my Brotherhood...
...which makes the fact that I'm missing Blob all the more apparent, especially after seeing Robo's comparisons. I may just have to grit my teeth and pick him up. Ugh.
Still happy to be getting Destiny finally - I'm just finding myself increasingly annoyed at painted on details that should be sculpted. I still haven't picked up the Void wave Vision for that reason - the boots, gloves, and torso details just kill me. Hoping Mafex gives him a go.
This is where I'm at, too. I've become numb to domestic action figures costing $25-$40 a pop, but they really need to go the extra mile at that price. Hasbro has been trending toward going the extra mile, which makes it all the more frustrating when they don't.
I have a ton of recent good examples: Hyperion's torso thing, Target Black Widow's sculpted zipper, and Astonishing Cyclops and Wolverine's sculpted piping. It makes the likes of Vision, Phoenix, and this Rogue stand out. Every figure can't be a home run, but we can set some basic standards.
I bought the Phoenix set for the stand. I like the MAFEX colors, headsculpt, and sculpted boots more. Those were all fixable elements.
(I know there's an argument that the boots are somehow part of the costume, but I don't understand that. It's clearly her boots:
Next time we see a Green Goblin, it needs to be on a Green Goblin-specific body, not a scale-armor body. I'm happy to support the Legends line at this price, but they need to do right by us.
Completely agree that there are plenty of good examples of this in recent memory, so I'm encouraged by that. Some of the things they continually skimp out on seem to be the same pieces over and over, which makes it even more confusing why they don't just invest in the tooling. How many characters with thigh high boots have they made in the last two years alone? Angel and Vision could have shared the gloves and boots, and plenty more figures going forward. I completely appreciate that the depth of the character selection is partially supported by the heavy reuse, but I can't help but think sales would increase if they'd invest more in the product - I know I'd definitely be less inclined to wait for sales if these details were handled better.
Ditto.
Compare Rogue and Destiny to Rogue and Pyro. Rogue and Pyro was $50 at a time when MSRP was $20 per figure, so they upcharged $10 for two extra heads. They did the same thing to multiple 2-packs that year--Storm and Thunderbird were $50, so each was upcharged by $5, although I think of that as Storm being $30 and Thunderbird being $20 since he came with no accessories and had heavy re-use whereas Storm had lots of accessories with lots of new sculpt.
Every year they seem to have these slightly premium upcharged figures; Punisher and Bushwacker are halfway there since they upcharged that to $55 for an extra Frank head and a bunch of guns. If both figures had more original sculpt pieces that set almost certainly would have been $60, but they were able to do enough re-use to keep the price down. Here they kept two female figures in less demand below $60 by keeping the accessories sparse.
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