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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:54 pm

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Clicked just to see the comments....did not disappoint.

I remember seeing ads for Cyberfrog back in Wizard magazine and thinking "Well that's about the stupidest thing I've ever seen..." Not only did I find it just a dumb concept, but I personally find frogs and toads to be utterly repulsive creatures.

Funny how that was one of those early 90s comics "boom" books that only existed cause it was right before the bubble burst. I wonder if the fact that he's attempting to make it an action figure is some kind of similar sign that the action figure market is about to buckle under its own weight as well?

I had no idea he eventually made it to the big leagues working on X-Men and a bunch of stuff for DC, as well. I think he's got a perfectly serviceable art style, and I admire that he actually draws and doesn't just use 3D models, but nothing about his work stands out to me as truly exceptional. He doesn't seem to have his own unique penciling style at all....it's really similar to Phil Jiminez, in my opinion. Maybe more cross-hatching.
Well now that's just unfair. Frogs don't deserve that kind of disparagement, they're valuable members of our community. And haven't they've been through enough? From Alex Jones to Pepe to this. They can't even get cyber without alt-right baggage following them.

(Also, good call on the Van Sciver/Jiminez comparisons. DC always got a lot of guys in that mold during the Didio years.)
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:56 pm

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Whoa actually that looks really cool, especially the 90’s version. I honestly would have bought that.

But that guy’s an @$!%^#*, and he cancelled himself. No way in hell he gets my money.
Exactly. Hugo Boss was a damn fine designer,but he was also a nazi-and so is EVS and his whole Comicsgate Crew. These people are despicable and shame on anyone who would support their campaign of hatred.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:41 am

Van Sciver's art does look like Phil Jimenez's I'd say, which may be in part due to what Didio wanted for the look of DC at the time. I do find his posing and presentation to be a bit more dynamic with the figures he draws; or at least it seems like he tries to make the poses more dynamic in my opinion. I'd still say that his New X-Men White Queen cover is probably one of the more detailed depictions of a character who I don't particularly care about, but it made me take notice on the racks of the comic store when I saw it as it really seemed to capture the overall vibe of the character.

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As for the project I did a bit more research on it and while I can't speak for Indiegogo projects on the whole, I'd say that it depends really more on the person you're backing than the platform itself as far as the red flags pertaining to your actually receiving your items. It looks like Van Sciver has run pretty successful campaigns on IGG and as he's fulfilling the previous ones he starts a new campaign in the midst of fulfilling the last project. I know plenty of people still waiting for their reward tier stuff from Joe Madureira's Kickstarter videogame/comic project now five years later. Obviously that differs from Todd McFarlane's campaign on the same platform. So I'd encourage anyone doing crowdfunding to do your homework with any project you choose to back whether it be with the platform or the person running the campaign. In the process of looking into the project further I did see mention that the 2 frog figures and the female figure were being looked at being in the $40 range with the giant wasp/bee character costing more. So similar in pricing to McFarlane's Kickstarter. No mention of whether autographed versions will be an option like in Todd's campaign. The campaign is supposedly going to start in July and run for a month. Will be interesting to see whether the project sinks or swims given that toys and figures is a more costly foray than comics.

Also came across these older prototypes of the female figure for those that wanted to see more of her, as the video kinda pans over her quickly.

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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:53 pm

He is a phenomenal artist, only surpassed by what a huge piece of shit human he is.

I had come across the indigo comic of Cyberfrog and the art was so damn cool, but no way could I support it, as it meant I was supporting him. Same thing applies here, which sucks, because they look like really cool toys.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:12 am

That hair up sculpt looks a LOT like Stephanie McMahon to me.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:01 am

I can definitely see that now that you mention it. I do still think it's a good head sculpt though. Will be interesting to see if it fits easily on anything else.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am

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He is a phenomenal artist, only surpassed by what a huge piece of shit human he is.

I had come across the indigo comic of Cyberfrog and the art was so damn cool, but no way could I support it, as it meant I was supporting him. Same thing applies here, which sucks, because they look like really cool toys.
"A huge piece of shit human?"

Did this guy kill someone or something and get away with it? What did a comic book artist do that possibly warrants this kind of hate?

I know that longtime Green Lantern writer Gerard Jones was convicted of having child pornography. Is it something like that?
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:48 pm

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Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 am
TFitz wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:53 pm
He is a phenomenal artist, only surpassed by what a huge piece of shit human he is.

I had come across the indigo comic of Cyberfrog and the art was so damn cool, but no way could I support it, as it meant I was supporting him. Same thing applies here, which sucks, because they look like really cool toys.
"A huge piece of shit human?"

Did this guy kill someone or something and get away with it? What did a comic book artist do that possibly warrants this kind of hate?

I know that longtime Green Lantern writer Gerard Jones was convicted of having child pornography. Is it something like that?
You don't have to kill someone to be a piece of shit. Hell, my brother is a POS. I've completely disowned him. But if you really want some context for EVS, click the link. In the article, there are several additional links to articles that go over things he's done and said.

https://www.polygon.com/comics/2018/8/2 ... van-sciver
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:28 pm

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TFitz wrote:
Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:53 pm
He is a phenomenal artist, only surpassed by what a huge piece of shit human he is.

I had come across the indigo comic of Cyberfrog and the art was so damn cool, but no way could I support it, as it meant I was supporting him. Same thing applies here, which sucks, because they look like really cool toys.
"A huge piece of shit human?"

Did this guy kill someone or something and get away with it? What did a comic book artist do that possibly warrants this kind of hate?

I know that longtime Green Lantern writer Gerard Jones was convicted of having child pornography. Is it something like that?
It's political, like everything these days. Van Sciver is a right-winger, who disagrees with the left. If you're progressive, he's a POS. If you're conservative, he's not. That about sums it up.

I'll support this because I like fun stuff, and I'm able to completely separate the artist from the art. I think if we base everything we enjoy only off of who makes it instead of the thing itself, we'd never have anything to enjoy lol Pretty much everything is owned/created/ran by scumbags. Geoff Johns is a terrible human being who cheated on his pregnant wife (among other things), but does that mean I should avoid his phenomenal Green Lantern run? Or any TV production with his name on it? Should I avoid The Avengers because Joss Whedon is a shithead? Nah. Same goes for Mel Gibson, movies produced by Harvey Weinstein...I don't have to like the people or agree with them to enjoy the things they made.

For Van Sciver, I don't really care what he says on the internet from his moms basement...I enjoy his art and I continue to buy it. Everyone is different, though. But I feel that he will be supported whether I purchase or not, so why deprive myself of something I enjoy?


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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:39 pm

Well, I followed the links looking for some kind of evidence of him being a "shit" person but it's all just gossip sites saying he's mean to people online.

If that's why people don't like him, fair enough.

I try to learn as little as possible about the private lives of the people whose work I admire. And I certainly couldn't possibly care less about their political beliefs. I just wanna enjoy the work.

Like I said before, I've never really noticed Van Sciver's art before, and what I have seen of it was fine, but didn't impress me.

I've heard bad stuff about Frank Miller over the years. Nothing terrible, just that he was rude to people. I don't like that, but it doesn't make me love his work any less.

Todd McFarlane has certainly said and done some assholish things over the years, but I still bought a lot of his toys.

I guess we all have a line we decide on, and if a person crosses that line, we can no longer support that person as an artist.

I'm not interested in these particular figures, but I'm fascinated with how Van Sciver seems to be the most hated man in comics.

Also, I'm sorry you think your brother is a POS. I can't imagine going through life having bad feelings about my brothers. They're my best friends.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:38 pm

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I can't imagine going through life having bad feelings about my brothers. They're my best friends.
As it should be, ideally.

Todd McFarlane was rude to me once during a comic convention. I just chalked it up to either he's a genuine @-hole, or maybe he's just having a bad day / was trying to leave and I caught him at the wrong time. J Scott Campbell and I don't agree on much of anything politically but he's also one of the nicest and most friendly creators I've met in person. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just as it's up to each individual to determine how much they're going to let political opinions rule their life.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:16 pm

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It's political, like everything these days. Van Sciver is a right-winger, who disagrees with the left. If you're progressive, he's a POS. If you're conservative, he's not. That about sums it up.
I do believe in being able to separate the person from their art or product. If we knew the dirty secrets of all kinds of artists/musicians/actors/manufacturers, we'd probably not want to deal with a vast number of them. So some separation is needed. And not everyone needs to lose their livelihood because a mob of people don't agree with their opinions.

But saying Van Sciver has controversy around him is only because he's a conservative is being really reductive. He's an arrogant ass who has little respect for others. For some reason, people think that kind of attitude should be championed and supported. There does seem to be a trend in certain conservative circles to embrace and worship prick personalities, so maybe you're partially correct about it being a conservative issue.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:13 pm

I find the idea of separating the art from the artist to be nonsensical, but you can disregard that here: the behavior people bring up is specifically about his actions within the comics industry. That's no longer separated from the art. Van Sciver has been a damaging figure to his industry and to the comics community. He's actively promoted, abetted, and made money off a movement built around spreading homophobic, transphobic, and racist views within the industry. He has a lengthy history of bullying fans and other creators, and encouraging his fans to do the same. This isn't someone who has a bad day once in a while. He's a toxic personality who actively causes harm.

I know the standard fan attitude is "Don't get between me and the things I want to buy," but he doesn't deserve anyone's support.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:38 pm

Ash Talon wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:16 pm
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Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:28 pm
It's political, like everything these days. Van Sciver is a right-winger, who disagrees with the left. If you're progressive, he's a POS. If you're conservative, he's not. That about sums it up.
I do believe in being able to separate the person from their art or product. If we knew the dirty secrets of all kinds of artists/musicians/actors/manufacturers, we'd probably not want to deal with a vast number of them. So some separation is needed. And not everyone needs to lose their livelihood because a mob of people don't agree with their opinions.

But saying Van Sciver has controversy around him is only because he's a conservative is being really reductive. He's an arrogant ass who has little respect for others. For some reason, people think that kind of attitude should be championed and supported. There does seem to be a trend in certain conservative circles to embrace and worship prick personalities, so maybe you're partially correct about it being a conservative issue.
Well stated. There's been much talk from the "inside" that some creators have been "let go" for political beliefs and they hired activists masquerading as creators in their place. EVS is a much better artist than much of what Marvel has pedaled recently. So that's why he has an audience and credence.

BUT.....yeah he is super obnoxious - world's most elegant, eloquent....blah blah blah and is often juvenile and insulting. It doesn't work for me even though I'm no longer part of Marvel's audience.
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Re: CyberFrog Figures

Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:04 pm

I largely attribute it to the fact that he enjoys trolling his detractors. Most of us have grown up with professional wrestling, Howard Stern, Tom Green, Gallagher, the Jerky Boys, JackAss etc. where often times the product being sold is largely those creators perceived over-the-top personality. Akin to branding oneself as "the most beautiful man in all of sports entertainment," most know it's not true, but the persona is meant to be an absurdity. And absurdity attracts eyeballs. The times I've skimmed his videos he's often dressed like something from Elton John's yardsale. "Come for the circus, stay for the comic art" seems to be a profitable model, especially since most comics creators are much more reserved and introverted. Is it possible that he's every horrible thing people claim him to be? It's possible. Is it probable that he's learned to capitalize on the showmanship and outlandishness that others have utilized in the past to support his claims of "modern comics are crap and the companies don't care about you, buy my stuff instead and give them the finger?" More than likely.

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