G.I. Joe Classified Series

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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:43 am

Classified boxes have 4 symbols on one side. While they're only symbols and have no text, you can figure out what each symbol represents regarding the character's skill set. Granted, this isn't nearly as informative as the old file cards, but it's something.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:50 am

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How do we feel about Two-Packs?

Personally there are a few that I'd love to see....

Covergirl & Shipwreck
Zarana & Zandar
Tomax & Xamot (obviously...)
Agent Helix & Crimson Asp
Sounds awesome as long as they are not Target exclusive. Especially Tomax and Xamot. :rolleyes:
I wish they'd drop Target exclusives and just do Fan Channel.
Please no more exclusives 8) and Covergirl needs to be a deluxe set with lots of accessories and a motorcycle.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:54 am

aceofknaves wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:42 pm
supreme-d wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:12 pm
Finally, to help with diversity issues, it would be cool if the head sculpts for some Cobra troops could have different skin tones. Although to be honest, I always imagined the basic Cobra troops were Americans.
Americans have all kinds of different skin colors, of course.
Although I did always get the feeling (especially in the more-nuanced comic-book origin) that Cobra had a white-nationalist-militia vibe starting out, and it was a looooooooong time before there were identified Cobra agents who weren’t of obvious white-European descent (other than Storm Shadow, of course).
Cobra troopers were really monochromatic but white-nationalists, why would they follow Destro then?
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:28 am

Fly4v wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:54 am
aceofknaves wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:42 pm
supreme-d wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:12 pm
Finally, to help with diversity issues, it would be cool if the head sculpts for some Cobra troops could have different skin tones. Although to be honest, I always imagined the basic Cobra troops were Americans.
Americans have all kinds of different skin colors, of course.
Although I did always get the feeling (especially in the more-nuanced comic-book origin) that Cobra had a white-nationalist-militia vibe starting out, and it was a looooooooong time before there were identified Cobra agents who weren’t of obvious white-European descent (other than Storm Shadow, of course).
Cobra troopers were really monochromatic but white-nationalists, why would they follow Destro then?
It was the *vibe* that I said was white-nationalist-*militia*, but:
They followed Cobra Commander (the Iron Grenadiers followed Destro, who was always something of an independent contractor and not a formal member of Cobra proper), but Destro is a Scottish Lord from a bloodline going back to the British Civil War, so he’s about the WASPiest WASP that ever WASPed and there’s *plenty* of white nationalism in Europe. Actually, most of the Cobra hierarchy was specifically European (as in from the continent of Europe) other than Cobra Commander himself. There are obviously all kinds of Nazi/general fascist overtones to Cobra, but the Commander is indeed a distinctly American phenomenon. Pretty obvious comparisons to draw, that Larry Hama clearly put in purposefully, and have aged chillingly well.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:04 am

aceofknaves wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:42 pm
supreme-d wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:12 pm
Finally, to help with diversity issues, it would be cool if the head sculpts for some Cobra troops could have different skin tones. Although to be honest, I always imagined the basic Cobra troops were Americans.
Americans have all kinds of different skin colors, of course.
Although I did always get the feeling (especially in the more-nuanced comic-book origin) that Cobra had a white-nationalist-militia vibe starting out, and it was a looooooooong time before there were identified Cobra agents who weren’t of obvious white-European descent (other than Storm Shadow, of course).
Sorry, I deleted the words I wrote before “American” because I didn’t want to say something controversial, but yes, that’s the same vibe I got. I also am more familiar with the comics and toys than the cartoon, so that may have something to do with my perception as well.

Not that Cobra wouldn't use minorities for particular roles, but I never got the feeling that a minority member of Cobra would be anything higher than a specialist. All the leadership I knew of were racially identifiable as white. Then the whole cloning aspect and the Crimson Guard stuck me as vaguely nazi-esque as a kid. I thought the whole point of stressing the GI Joe teams inclusivity was to highlight how the villains were not diverse.

Also, I should stress that just because some members were aligned with Cobra, I didn’t think they were part of the organization proper. The Iron Grenadiers seems like an associated organization in it for the money, same as the Night Creepers and the Headhunters. The Drednoks were just a weird gang to me.

To Ro-El’s point, I agree and have stressed since wave 1 that the filecards are an integral part of the GI Joe line. The fact that they aren’t included is either because the toys brand management team can’t/don’t want to tie themselves to a mythology (for reasons related to other uses of the IP), they don’t feel qualified to update the bios, or they were too lazy to write anything.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:14 am

supreme-d wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:04 am
aceofknaves wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:42 pm
supreme-d wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:12 pm
Finally, to help with diversity issues, it would be cool if the head sculpts for some Cobra troops could have different skin tones. Although to be honest, I always imagined the basic Cobra troops were Americans.
Americans have all kinds of different skin colors, of course.
Although I did always get the feeling (especially in the more-nuanced comic-book origin) that Cobra had a white-nationalist-militia vibe starting out, and it was a looooooooong time before there were identified Cobra agents who weren’t of obvious white-European descent (other than Storm Shadow, of course).
Sorry, I deleted the words I wrote before “American” because I didn’t want to say something controversial, but yes, that’s the same vibe I got. I also am more familiar with the comics and toys than the cartoon, so that may have something to do with my perception as well.

Not that Cobra wouldn't use minorities for particular roles, but I never got the feeling that a minority member of Cobra would be anything higher than a specialist. All the leadership I knew of were racially identifiable as white. Then the whole cloning aspect and the Crimson Guard stuck me as vaguely nazi-esque as a kid. I thought the whole point of stressing the GI Joe teams inclusivity was to highlight how the villains were not diverse.

Also, I should stress that just because some members were aligned with Cobra, I didn’t think they were part of the organization proper. The Iron Grenadiers seems like an associated organization in it for the money, same as the Night Creepers. The Drednoks were just a weird gang to me.
Sounds like we come from the same “place” with Joe. Very cool insights.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:44 am

Thanks for the great insights. I watched the cartoons but didn't get the comics.
Always wondered how and why Destro from the cartoon became Christopher Eccleston in the movies.

But this is a much better background and motivations for the Cobra Civil War in the alternate dimension story line from the TV show.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 am

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Wasn’t my intention with the first message, just trying to generate support for Mainframe and while advancing the discussion on the way to update characters/introduce new ones.
Mainframe was my very first Joe figure when I was a kid. He wasn't really a favorite but I would definitely get him again.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:37 am

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Whatever gets more figures and characters in my hands, I'm for it. I could go for a two-pack of troop builders with a bunch of additional weapons and gear, or maybe a small dio piece like rifle range targets or gun rack. A Dreadnok pack of Ripper, Torch, and Buzzer would be excellent too. The only characters I really need them to release as a two-pack is Tomax and Xamot. Those two have to come together.
Definitely on Tomax and Xamot! Or how about 1 figure that comes with both heads and a flip-able pauldron? Wouldn't that be easier to track down?
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:28 pm

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Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:04 am
To Ro-El’s point, I agree and have stressed since wave 1 that the filecards are an integral part of the GI Joe line. The fact that they aren’t included is either because the toys brand management team can’t/don’t want to tie themselves to a mythology (for reasons related to other uses of the IP), they don’t feel qualified to update the bios, or they were too lazy to write anything.
The lack of filecards on both GI Joe and Transformers has been a pretty big disappointment for me collecting the modern lines. Filecards turn a lump of plastic into someone with understandable motivations and capabilities that can capture your imagination. Much of what I know of the characters from both Transformers and GI Joe came from filecards, which I'd dutifully clip and save (sometimes still having the card long after no longer having the toy). I never really watched either cartoon and the comic had to treadmill its way through so many characters that many other than writers' favorites got short shrift, so the filecards were really how I got to know and love many of the characters.

However, I just don't see it happening now. Hasbro hasn't really shown much interest in their inclusion in years for either line and even when they do, like on the retro series, they're just cut down to a pointless line or two so they can fit all the other language translations.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:47 pm

supreme-d wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:04 am
aceofknaves wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:42 pm
supreme-d wrote:
Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:12 pm
Finally, to help with diversity issues, it would be cool if the head sculpts for some Cobra troops could have different skin tones. Although to be honest, I always imagined the basic Cobra troops were Americans.
Americans have all kinds of different skin colors, of course.
Although I did always get the feeling (especially in the more-nuanced comic-book origin) that Cobra had a white-nationalist-militia vibe starting out, and it was a looooooooong time before there were identified Cobra agents who weren’t of obvious white-European descent (other than Storm Shadow, of course).
Sorry, I deleted the words I wrote before “American” because I didn’t want to say something controversial, but yes, that’s the same vibe I got. I also am more familiar with the comics and toys than the cartoon, so that may have something to do with my perception as well.

Not that Cobra wouldn't use minorities for particular roles, but I never got the feeling that a minority member of Cobra would be anything higher than a specialist. All the leadership I knew of were racially identifiable as white. Then the whole cloning aspect and the Crimson Guard stuck me as vaguely nazi-esque as a kid. I thought the whole point of stressing the GI Joe teams inclusivity was to highlight how the villains were not diverse.

Also, I should stress that just because some members were aligned with Cobra, I didn’t think they were part of the organization proper. The Iron Grenadiers seems like an associated organization in it for the money, same as the Night Creepers and the Headhunters. The Drednoks were just a weird gang to me.

To Ro-El’s point, I agree and have stressed since wave 1 that the filecards are an integral part of the GI Joe line. The fact that they aren’t included is either because the toys brand management team can’t/don’t want to tie themselves to a mythology (for reasons related to other uses of the IP), they don’t feel qualified to update the bios, or they were too lazy to write anything.
If your not familiar, check out Shock Viper Leader Lt. Clay Moore. He is a black and in a leadership position in Cobra. I have a custom, but hasbro needs to make him imo and yes to file cards
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:05 pm

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Filecards turn a lump of plastic into someone with understandable motivations and capabilities that can capture your imagination.
Unless you collected MOTUC, then they were just an annoying mess :D
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:38 pm

Aggro Ninja wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:28 pm
supreme-d wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:04 am
To Ro-El’s point, I agree and have stressed since wave 1 that the filecards are an integral part of the GI Joe line. The fact that they aren’t included is either because the toys brand management team can’t/don’t want to tie themselves to a mythology (for reasons related to other uses of the IP), they don’t feel qualified to update the bios, or they were too lazy to write anything.
The lack of filecards on both GI Joe and Transformers has been a pretty big disappointment for me collecting the modern lines. Filecards turn a lump of plastic into someone with understandable motivations and capabilities that can capture your imagination. Much of what I know of the characters from both Transformers and GI Joe came from filecards, which I'd dutifully clip and save (sometimes still having the card long after no longer having the toy). I never really watched either cartoon and the comic had to treadmill its way through so many characters that many other than writers' favorites got short shrift, so the filecards were really how I got to know and love many of the characters.

However, I just don't see it happening now. Hasbro hasn't really shown much interest in their inclusion in years for either line and even when they do, like on the retro series, they're just cut down to a pointless line or two so they can fit all the other language translations.

As someone who is GI Joe ignorant I have been using the profiles on Hasbro's GI Joe site as a substitute for file cards. I would love to see these expanded to include more info, more character art, maybe some lists of important stories. I've been subsidizing my GI Joe knowledge with Benty's excellent "Joe in the Sights" Fwoosh articles as well as these "History and Origin Of..." YouTube videos by JLS Comics. I don't mind doing research on characters I'm not familiar with but the lack of a clear canon in GI Joe really complicates it.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:59 pm

The only canon that matters to me is the Hama comic series - Marvel's original run and the IDW that picks up from the Marvel run. There is some good non-Hama Joe stuff out there (Jerwa's run for Devil's Due, for example), but 'officially' none of that exists at this point.

I watched the cartoon as a kid, of course, but it is far inferior IMO.
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Re: G.I. Joe Classified Series

Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:33 pm

The cartoon is a LOT of fun: it’s a bit more literate and self-aware than some of its contemporaries, there’s even some surprisingly hard sci-fi woven in (“Worlds Without End” and “There’s No Place Like Springfield” come to mind), even Lovecraftian horror (can’t remember the title, but turns out Destro’s [and Lady Jaye’s, who is surprisingly related to Destro] family worships a Great Old One in a pit and yes you see the monster), tons and tons of social satire (HECTOR RAMIREZ! Who also provided a continuity point for several other cartoons including Transformers and Inhumanoids) and a lot of genuinely weird stuff. It’s also frequently a spooky commercial for Red-Blooded Reagan’s ‘Mur’ca and it kicks Snake-Eyes to the curb after the first two or three miniseries, but oh man in the first series when Snake-Eyes closes himself in to save his teammates from being irradiated and he puts his hand to the glass and then Scarlett puts her hand to the glass and then Snake-Eyes slow-fades back into the radioactive mist . . . that made me a lifelong fan. Also once the writers got a handle on Cobra Commander and made him this bonkers Yosemite Sam guy he became hilarious and oddly relatable: CC is totally my favorite individual 80s cartoon character. Aww man they did him dirty in the movie . . .
That said: the comic was an actual *extension* of the file cards, with Larry Hama writing both. I loved the comic but it was 100% the file cards that drove the story in my head. Hama did such an incredible job of “personalizing” each character with intricate and (often highly satirical) detail that every single figure could be a “main character”. Dr Mindbender is a narcissistic former orthodontist who experimented on himself with mind control for tooth pain! Dusty is a refrigerator repair man! Snake-Eyes is an avid collector of spike-knuckled trench knives! Shipwreck’s real name is Hector X Delgado! Croc Master tried to start an alligator-based security firm in Florida! Every Crimson Guard is required to have an MBA or a law degree and they are undercover sleeper agents IN YOUR TOWN!

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