ARE they making a Kyle Katarn?
I mean... probably eventually? They did a set with Luuke and Joruus C'baoth - so there's no reason to think Katarn is off limits. They just have to figure out a way to sell him while making people re-buy something they don't need or some repackaged stormptroopers or something.
I mean - they've got a lego set coming with Darth Jar Jar, I think any and all things are on the table in selling Star Wars
I was going to get the Acolyte figures anyway, but I just caved on the Gamestop sale and ordered what they had in stock in my region using their buy one get one 40% off sale. Sol and Yord weren't available in my area (Sol being the one I want most, of course) but easier to absorb the wave getting Jecki, Indara, Mae, and Osha basically 20% off each. Not in a huge rush to get the figures but sooner AND discounted was hard to pass up. (Might've gone a little crazy with their sale since almost all my Amazon preorders got pushed back in three different lines that were all in stock now.)
@docsilence that is an awesome score! Sooner AND cheaper is definitely a no brainer.
I was curious though why Sol is of course the one you want most?
@ru1977 I just like sad aging characters with questionable histories. They're my jam. Baylan Skoll had like 11 minutes of screen time and I was in love with him. Throw in a warrior mourning the innocence of his own heroic ideals and I'm into him.
@docsilence wow. That is deeper and way more satisfying than what I was braced to read. I hope you find your way to the Star Wars thread in the Movie and TV section here soon because that sort of interpretation would be awesome to get more into.
@ru1977 Now I'm curious what awfulness you were expecting to hear! I write fiction for a living (as you know 🙂 ) so all I do is hyper-analyze characters and stories.
Maybe it's the depressed middled-aged guy in me but I just love that flawed-and-I-know-it mixture of melancholy and frustration inherent in that type of character. (Bonus points if they're just a big pile of regrets. Like Miller was my favorite character in the Expanse and not cos he was a tough guy cop but because he's self-aware that he's worthless to the universe and I'm fascinated by stories about people who think so little of themselves they're willing to throw their lives away just to find some meaning. Sol's arc feels like a guy looking for meaning before he's gone.)
@ru1977 Now I'm curious what awfulness you were expecting to hear! I write fiction for a living (as you know 🙂 ) so all I do is hyper-analyze characters and stories.
So I was braced for someone I respect the hell out of to be another one of those, but I was the fool for being so shallow.
Maybe it's the depressed middled-aged guy in me but I just love that flawed-and-I-know-it mixture of melancholy and frustration inherent in that type of character. (Bonus points if they're just a big pile of regrets. Like Miller was my favorite character in the Expanse and not cos he was a tough guy cop but because he's self-aware that he's worthless to the universe and I'm fascinated by stories about people who think so little of themselves they're willing to throw their lives away just to find some meaning. Sol's arc feels like a guy looking for meaning before he's gone.)
MAN that is awesome. I've never put it in any words close to that, but I realize I also enjoy those type of characters. The main guy in the series I'm writing is very much of that cloth.
@ru1977 Every show, every book, if there's a moment when we might go "look at this sad MFer right here" there's a good chance they'll be my favorite.
It's funny, my main series is superhero hopepunk so much of the cast is sort of the opposite of my favorite type of character, but the older characters lean toward this theme a lot. And in the fantasy series I write one of the leads is just deeply in that zone of "let me do one half-way worthwhile thing before I'm gone." It's a thing I poke at a lot. Maybe to an unhealthy degree.
Star Wars doesn't have as many of that type of character as I'd thought, though the more recent work is brimming with them. Kanan to an extent, Hunter quite a bit, and man, Luthen and that speech is explosively looking for meaning and worth. In my head canon Kenobi spends a LOT of time alone in that desert thinking about what he might have done differently and he goes to Leia knowing he probably won't ever rest again in this lifetime.
@docsilence You're absolutely right about Sol. I immediately recognized he was broken and the more I got to know him, the more unhealthy his drive felt.
I also agree about Kenobi, that's exactly how I view his time on Tatooine. The tragic quality of his character is what pushed him into my favorite spot for Star Wars sometime after I reached adulthood. I mean, Boba is always gonna be Boba for me, but Obi-Wan is such a wonderful character. It's why, if they ever really set out to do a true Star Wars version of Seven Samurai, I feel he HAS to fill the Kambei role. He's been through enough to know how to do it, and hate doing it, and part of him is almost let down when he's still successful at surviving.
@ru1977 I would imagine no one is more disappointed at being a generationally good swordsman as Kenobi is himself. He'd rather be a teacher and a healer but fate put a weapon in his hand.
I'm surprised people thought Sol would be an uncomplicated hero. There's that classic Jedi archetype of what I think of as a "searcher," someone who isn't done yet and may not even know what they're looking for but there's a restless tension to them and he's one of them. It's always struck me as odd when people see the Jedi as monolith since we've always had a range. Some are content in being big darn heroes, some are Zen monks, some never feel comfortable without the earth moving beneath their feet.
I continue to agree with you. On your view of the Jedi, obviously on Kenobi, but with Indara as well. That really struck me too, and I was excited for her character when I saw she was actually a pretty consummate Jedi. She was the voice of reason through the whole thing, but once everything had hit the fan, Indara quickly settled on what she felt was the lesser of evils. The damage had been done, how to make the best of the pieces left.
I dunno... I see a lot of people saying the writing is poor, Headland doesn't understand Star Wars, etc. I don't blame anyone for disliking it, but I really disagree that Headland doesn't understand this galaxy. She's certainly interested in showing different facets of things we thought we understood but didn't (really, come on, The Force is pure magic, so the rules can STILL be added to), she's weaving in a lot of EU stuff that had been tossed aside, and if you're receptive, I feel she's got some pretty compelling characters in there. I also appreciate getting immediate impressions of characters such as Yord, while others took time to peel back.
One failing of the show, I think, isn't even its fault as a lot of people didn't seem interested in giving it time to unfold its story. Every week, some were writing the show off for things that clearly hadn't been addressed yet but purposely. I can't say for certain they'll stick the landing. I certainly hope they do, but I also won't be too surprised if I think the ending is great. Nor will I be shocked if few agree with me about that.
Any word on the WalMart and Target Mandos that are scheduled for this month? I was wondering if they've been seen or anyone heard if they're still coming out this month or if it's later.
Thanks for the tip on GameStop, Doc! I was able to get Indara, Osha, and Mae discounted, and still had my monthly $5 coupon to bring it down a bit more. The others weren't in stock, of course, but Yord and Jecki are still $20 on my Amazon order, so I'm cool waiting a bit.
Nice to see how many other writers there are on the forum! I don't have anything published (yet), but I'm trying (just had a play of mine produced locally, so I guess that counts!)
I'll jump in on the Acolyte love as well, especially for Sol.
To me, there's nothing scarier (or more tragic) than a zealot (and I don't even necessarily mean in a religious way, either, though my own religious upbringing- and subsequent fallout- definitely helps me appreciate the little nuances a bit more). I just mean someone who is so blind to reason that even logic means nothing to them. They can take almost any scenario and find something in their belief system that ties it into what they were taught, so not only does it (in their minds) prove them right, but also allows them an opportunity to rope others in on their beliefs. These ideologies smooth the edges and polish them to an almost inhuman manner, especially the Jedi. They're an order built on repression, but what happens when very human emotions come into play? Like Torbin's longing for home, or Sol's want to protect a child (which I still think there's a bit more to than we currently know). The slightest bit of give into those emotions leads to the deaths of countless people, so of course they're going to then double down on repressing said emotions. Now not only are they dealing with the guilt, but the fear on top of it that they're going to be exposed. That's why my admiration for Sol and Indara both went up a lot last episode. Sol was obviously a bit less level-headed than Indara, but she was pretty quick to resort to using those (possibly deadly?) Force tricks too, and it was her idea to cover things up in the first place. She put the safety and honor of her friends (and, granted, herself) above the will of the Council, which to me is way more interesting than if she'd elected to tell them. Makes you wonder how much else is covered up in the Jedi order, just so people won't lose important ranks and the public opinion on them can remain strong. Sol sort of does the same thing- his attachment to Osha and his love for her kept him lying to her for years. Sure, it was probably also for his own good, but I think we can all relate to telling a lie in order to protect someone we care about. It all ties into Rose's line in TLJ- love it or hate it- but one could argue that Star Wars has always had those little echoes of "saving what you love". If Sol ended up telling the truth, he'd undoubtedly be cast from the order (if not worse), but who knows what would happen to Osha? Her life could be every bit as ruined as his.
It's those little moments of darkness in otherwise morally good characters that really draw me in. Take someone like Gandalf for example. He's good for the sake of being good; it's his sole purpose in Middle Earth- to protect. But even he isn't immune to the temptation of the Ring. Granted, he never gives in to it even a little, but that brief flash of humanity is what I think makes him a slightly more well rounded character. The fact that he can do wrong if given the choice, but he puts the needs of others before himself, even to the point of his own death. Gandalf the White is, while still quite iconic, a little less interesting to me, because from there, he's basically just all powerful and without corruption, but I digress.
Anywho. Sorry to derail the thread even further. Just wanted to share my 2 cents.
@joshsquash729 That is so awesome about the play!!! Congratulations!
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