@yojoebro82 to this day, I still love when I can organically work "that's a bad outFIT!" into a conversation.
@yojoebro82 to this day, I still love when I can organically work "that's a bad outFIT!" into a conversation.
That is a close second for me.
My first goal for organically working a movie line into a conversation is from Die Hard 2. Bruce Willis needs to use a fax machine. The attractive desk clerk at the airport starts hitting on him. Willis smiles, flashes his wedding ring, and says "just the fax ma'am". The setting does not HAVE to be an airport. Any office setting with a fax machine and attractive secretary will do. Sadly, given the fact that fax machines are ancient technology, I may have to accept the fact that I may never find myself in this situation.
Yes, that one is a rare find. I did have a job just five years ago where I had to fax weekly, but I was doing it myself so the line would have been only for me. Also difficult to find use for is pointing out to someone it wasn't you who just got b*##f@&#ed on national TV.
"just the fax ma'am"
A quote from a 35 year old movie that plays on a line from a 70 year old TV show is the pinnacle of inside jokes. I'm rooting for you.
Won't be topped until someone A.I.s an image of Bruce Willis doing the introduction for frequently asked questions.
People are saying Gunn mentioned that the other superheroes are there to show that this universe has other superheroes besides Superman in it.
You can establish that in a number of ways, though. Especially considering you have the Daily Planet in play. How easy would it be to insert a throwaway line about the JLA saving Europe last month, or news footage of Plastic Man rolling in the background of a scene?
But then everybody wonders if that stuff is real or just fan-drop shit like how Tony had Cap's clear plastic shield on his worktable. None of the normals would notice that stuff any more than they did the newspapers on the wall talking about the Chitauri space whale damage to NYC in that one Daredevil scene.
People are saying Gunn mentioned that the other superheroes are there to show that this universe has other superheroes besides Superman in it.
You can establish that in a number of ways, though. Especially considering you have the Daily Planet in play. How easy would it be to insert a throwaway line about the JLA saving Europe last month, or news footage of Plastic Man rolling in the background of a scene?
But then everybody wonders if that stuff is real or just fan-drop shit like how Tony had Cap's clear plastic shield on his worktable. None of the normals would notice that stuff any more than they did the newspapers on the wall talking about the Chitauri space whale damage to NYC in that one Daredevil scene.
Stuff like Cap's shield in Iron Man are exactly what I would rather see. Think how much they would have to alter the story to put actual Captain America into the movie for no other reason than to say, "Look everyone, Cap is in this universe too!". I'd rather it be an Iron Man movie with that one little throw-away piece (seeing as how making any comic book without endless nods to other characters and a bigger universe is apparently out of the question). The "normals'" butts are already in the seats and they'll be back in the seats if the story is good and they care about the characters. Whether or not they pick up on the fan service really doesn't matter.
I agree. When my brother in law saw Thanos smile in the credit scene for Avengers, he shouted, "RED SKULL!!!!!"
But I feel he, and others like him, only helped ticket sales.
Sidenote, my new favorite thing he did was raving all night Christmas Eve to anyone who would listen about this fantastic new, non-stop action movie called Kraken. He emphatically told every single adult present they had to go see Kraken the following weekend.
Turns out he meant Kraven. Is he an idiot? To nerds, sure, but he's utterly normal.
I for one... am fine with a hero who has had countless versions already skipping the origin and sharing adventures with other heroes. God knows when they reboot the DCU film universe in 2029, I don't want to sit through yet ANOTHER explanation about Krypton etc.
Stuff like Cap's shield in Iron Man are exactly what I would rather see. Think how much they would have to alter the story to put actual Captain America into the movie for no other reason than to say, "Look everyone, Cap is in this universe too!". I'd rather it be an Iron Man movie with that one little throw-away piece (seeing as how making any comic book without endless nods to other characters and a bigger universe is apparently out of the question). The "normals'" butts are already in the seats and they'll be back in the seats if the story is good and they care about the characters. Whether or not they pick up on the fan service really doesn't matter.
You think a creator like James Gunn does this? Is this what he did tying the High Evolutionary with the GotG when (afaik) they've never had a connection in the comics? This 'no other reason' issue is really what you fear from Gunn?
Stuff like Cap's shield in Iron Man are exactly what I would rather see. Think how much they would have to alter the story to put actual Captain America into the movie for no other reason than to say, "Look everyone, Cap is in this universe too!". I'd rather it be an Iron Man movie with that one little throw-away piece (seeing as how making any comic book without endless nods to other characters and a bigger universe is apparently out of the question). The "normals'" butts are already in the seats and they'll be back in the seats if the story is good and they care about the characters. Whether or not they pick up on the fan service really doesn't matter.You think a creator like James Gunn does this?
It depends on how he uses the JL, I guess, we'll see. Like I say, I'm apprehensive but I hold out hope for the movie overall. I'm just convinced Superman and his supporting cast can and should be enough to hold the audience's attention on their own. Everyone, comic fan and average movie goer, knows DC and Marvel are huge, interlocking universes at this point. There are no reminders needed about this anymore, even in a reboot situation like this one.
...raving all night Christmas Eve to anyone who would listen about this fantastic new, non-stop action movie called Kraken. He emphatically told every single adult present they had to go see Kraken the following weekend.
Turns out he meant Kraven. Is he an idiot? To nerds, sure, but he's utterly normal.
Are you sure? Because I am not getting the sense that a whole lot of folks were raving (positively) about Kraken...
As far as I know, he is the only one. Aaron Taylor Johnson is his new favorite action hero, which is what helped me figure it out.
Also now I'm passively plotting a nonstop action spy thriller about an agent codenamed Kraken.
am fine with a hero who has had countless versions already skipping the origin and sharing adventures with other heroes
There's two elements here and I don't think I agree with you on either of them. (In a very friendly agree to disagree kind of way)
We for sure don't need to spend any more time on Krypton or the Kent farm, but I personally want to see the character's story grow, not just join it already in progress. I've heard nothing but good things about the Superman & Lois show, but I had no interest in a story that *starts* with them married with grown-up children. I clearly can't say I have the correct view because people loved that show, but it's my view. It's why I'd initially said this movie wasn't intended for me (but still want to be in the conversation).
I also don't like the idea of a cinematic universe just starting off with "hey, look at how big our cinematic universe is!" I appreciate world building and origin stories. When I first saw the trailers for Black Adam, I thought it was really clever how they used Adam's Egyptian origin to also introduce the equally Egyptian-origined Dr. Fate and Hawkman. It felt like efficient yet organic world-building. Then I saw the movie and none of that was there. It was just here's two guys who are already part of a superhero team that have had so many adventures already that they've started training next generation rookie heroes. Similarly, while I know it's an unfair comparison, look at Tony Stark's journey to Iron Man compared to Riri William's "journey" to Iron Heart. She kind of "just is" the same way Guy Gardner and Hawkgirl apparently "just are."
So yeah. A movie can still be good whether or not I like it, and I like James Gunn a lot so I'm not trying to shit on this film. Just dialoging about why I don't think I'll like it.
@fletch No worries, I think we've had enough friendly disagreements that I don't reflexively get my ass up on my shoulders about it. And I don't think my way is the only way. I guess for me, I've seen origins for some of these characters done well enough to my liking and I'm just at a point where I look more forward to seeing them interacting with each other. I was really excited for Thor to play with Hulk and Valkyrie, or Tony and Strange to meet then hang out with half the Guardians, and so on. But I definitely respect people who prefer to be patient and let things unfold in a more traditional manner.
I also don't like the idea of a cinematic universe just starting off with "hey, look at how big our cinematic universe is!" I appreciate world building and origin stories. When I first saw the trailers for Black Adam, I thought it was really clever how they used Adam's Egyptian origin to also introduce the equally Egyptian-origined Dr. Fate and Hawkman. It felt like efficient yet organic world-building. Then I saw the movie and none of that was there. It was just here's two guys who are already part of a superhero team that have had so many adventures already that they've started training next generation rookie heroes. Similarly, while I know it's an unfair comparison, look at Tony Stark's journey to Iron Man compared to Riri William's "journey" to Iron Heart. She kind of "just is" the same way Guy Gardner and Hawkgirl apparently "just are."
I think we are at the point now where if it's an A-lister we know their origin front and back and we don't want to sit through it again, and if it's a B or C lister we just want to get to the action. At least from the studio's perspective. I mean, they want to put EVERY superhero they can onto the big screen and not all of them are going to get time devoted to an origin.
I remember this happening in actual comics too. I'm not calling these "absolute literature" but when I was reading the very first Image books, Youngblood and WildCATS and Cyber Force started off with the teams fully formed and they'd been together for a while. I didn't know where "straight-laced-leader-guy rip-off" or "mysterious-masked-loner-guy rip-off" or "sexy-psychic-boobs-girl rip-off" got their powers, but I didn't really care too much.
DC in particular was in catch up mode even 10 years ago when they were trying to jump start Justice League during a Batman and Superman movie. (Even there Batman had been around a while, Robin was already dead.) Now, nearly a decade after THAT, they're really behind and just saying, "Screw it, this universe has its superheroes already established, they've all been here a while." That's fine. I just want to see a Superman movie be a Superman move, a Flash movie be a Flash movie, and so on.
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