Maybe she was walking in his thoughts in an amateur version of what her mother did to Torbin?
I think the show discovered it's point too late in the story (or lost its point too early).
Like, I was really into the idea of Mae trying to become a Sith Acolyte by getting revenge on the Jedi who killed her family. Seeing the inner workings of that process was pretty interesting.
But they just kind of quit that story half way through, killed a couple main characters, and went off in a new direction about force babies. Also, I've never seen a more abrupt "we need to save continuity" mindwipe, and they did the same to C3P0. Mae was, like, 110% on board with forgetting about everything she'd wanted 30 minutes before.
Early on, when I was enjoying Mae's story, I wondered what was even the point of having twins. I confess I got a little forgetful about who we were watching from scene to scene after they'd exchanged clothes (right down to Mae now having and talking to her own PIP).
If it were up to me, the story would've just been about Osha who left her family to join the Jedi and then got kicked out of that. Years later she's contacted by another rejected apprentice who fans her resentment of the Jedi and slowly converts her into a Sith Acolyte. No Mae, no force babies. Just a straight path of Jedi eliteness coming back to bite their asses.
I'm still okay with Sol & Co. killing the witches over a misunderstanding, because that was kind of neat and gives Osha her motivation and list of targets. Instead of Osha discovering in episode 8 that Sol killed her mom, she instead learns that Qimir has only been giving her one side of the story and Sol has the chance to draw her back to the light with his version of events. Of course, confessing that he's the one who stabbed her mom (something Qimir hadn't even told her) is what cinches her decision.
Anyways, my point is there was a lot of good in this story that I enjoyed, but I think it got pushed aside by the things I didn't like.
Twin stories like this one are kind...whatever? I don't love the trope and it wasn't a surprise to me to see the switch. They basically set it up as the classic good twin, evil twin, and then revealed the twin you thought was the evil one really wasn't (Simpsons did it!) and the hero (I'm using the term loosely here) is really the villain. Once the seeds of that swap were planted, it basically reduced Mae to a macguffin and the show didn't seem all that interested in hiding that fact when it came to its end. The mind wipe thing is a lazy story device, a real deus ex machina, and maybe the worst part of the show. Certainly of the resolution. I would have much preferred if the twins never reconciled and once Osha eliminated Sol she just gave into her darker impulses and killed her sister. Perhaps it could have been setup as a way for her to make herself whole and gain even more power? She has probably been kept alive for a reason, but it's disappointing the writing wasn't well enough to achieve that result. Anyway, all that is to say I agree that the twin angle wasn't really needed. It added just a tiny bit of mystery to the first episode and then not much after other than giving the Jedi someone to chase. I guess it was better than a dual personality plot or something.
holding hands with Darth Bortles at the end
These nicknames are killing me.
I honestly appreciate the discussion about all of this. I like Fletch's idea of the story of the single character Acolyte on a singular journey - would have held more weight and been more interesting and the Osha/Mae conflict with her darker self would have been internal instead of literal.
I also agree with fac that the storytelling device might have been better if they had fully leaned into the Roshomon style of unique character perspective of events so we see things 3 different ways - fully commit to it rather than the watered down version they gave us.
But also, give me a spinoff show where Kelnacca and Jecki aren't dead and get to go on cool space adventures together. That show would kick ass.
@panthercult I'll probably end up with Jecki, Kelnacca, and Yord on the shelf so I guess I'm passively pretending that exists.
I find I am more frustrated by stories where I think there are interesting ideas and concepts, but not executed well. So I too appreciate the discussion as I feel like it helps vent a bit without totally dismissing the show because it was trying for something I think. Kind of how the PT was trying to talk about some bigger picture issues about freedom and power and politics and trauma and so on in between the dogfights, gunfights and swordfights.
That Osha was maybe taking over Qimir's mind is a good interpretation, and maybe didn't know she was doing it. @fletch Twice now with good points.
This is likely giving the show too much credit, but if the idea is that Osha and Mae are essentially the same person split in two, and not just twins, maybe they balance each other out in terms of light/dark when it comes to the Force - so as Mae starts to think better and maybe turn herself in (so a bit on the light side), Osha starts to go darker (starts shooting at her in the forest), and vice versa? It might explain the flip-flopping as a story driven choice. So at the end as Osha goes all murder-Jedi, Mae becomes absurdly selfless "wipe my mind to help my sister". I will not push too hard to defend this idea, FYI.
This isn't on the show, but when they introduced Darth Plagueis as a non-human (or Star Wars equivalent) it sort of bugged me (I guess Darth Maul was the first non-human Sith we were introduced to) as the Empire had been pretty clearly focused on a certain type - the Empire has almost no ethnic diversity (just white men) in the OT, let alone species diversity. Maybe the purity thing was just Palpy. Odd that the Sith are not the same.
Maybe Palpatine was that was BECAUSE of Plagueis.
That's a fantastic idea about Mae and Osha always balancing in the Force, and I feel it totally fits!
@fac thinking on it more, I am.certain that is the intention. Even when they were children.
Instead of Osha discovering in episode 8 that Sol killed her mom, she instead learns that Qimir has only been giving her one side of the story and Sol has the chance to draw her back to the light with his version of events.
Isn't that Mae's exact plotline?
In an interview on IndieWire with Headland she says this about hiding the first cameo in the middle of the episode and not the end: “You want to feel Osha’s triumph. You want to feel her joining forces with The Stranger. Plagueis stepped on [that moment].”
Was that what we were supposed to feel - triumph? If so, climax completely fumbled.
She goes on: "We know that these two [Osha and Qimir] are doomed in some way. So to me it’s a bittersweet tragedy, this foreboding ending. But that’s because I know about the Sith lineage and all these other things, whereas I think a different subset of the audience can be like, ‘They’re married!’” Headland said."
Is that really what she thinks the audience is thinking about - that these two murderous people found a soulkilling mate after literally one day together? Was her trying on his helmet foreplay? And now "they're married!" - WHAT. THE. F--K.
Instead of Osha discovering in episode 8 that Sol killed her mom, she instead learns that Qimir has only been giving her one side of the story and Sol has the chance to draw her back to the light with his version of events.
Isn't that Mae's exact plotline?
Was it? Can you refresh my memory of when Mae found out Sol killed her mom? As much as I liked the events shown as two separate flashbacks, I'm kind of fuzzy on what she knew when. Since we didn't see Sol tell her directly, know what I mean?
As far as I can tell, every time Sol goes to tell her something, he gets tazed, force choked, or an otter-man turns off the ship's power. 😉
Can you refresh my memory of when Mae found out Sol killed her mom?
She saw it in real time. She came to tell her mother about the fire, begging for help. Aniseya started to apparate, along with Mae, and Sol stabbed her then and there.
In an interview on IndieWire with Headland she says this about hiding the first cameo in the middle of the episode and not the end: “You want to feel Osha’s triumph. You want to feel her joining forces with The Stranger. Plagueis stepped on [that moment].”
She goes on: "We know that these two [Osha and Qimir] are doomed in some way. So to me it’s a bittersweet tragedy, this foreboding ending. But that’s because I know about the Sith lineage and all these other things, whereas I think a different subset of the audience can be like, ‘They’re married!’” Headland said."
Is that really what she thinks the audience is thinking about - that these two murderous people found a soulkilling mate after literally one day together? Was her trying on his helmet foreplay? And now "they're married!" - WHAT. THE. F--K.
Yeah, I don't know what to do with those quotes. The bittersweet tragedy isn't that Osha has become a cold-blooded killer, but that her and Qimir won't grow old together with happy little Sith children running around torturing the local animals?
Its almost as if the Sith "religion" that encourages death and destruction is inherently flawed and evil, compared to the Jedi who might not always reach the levels of goodness they aim for? But I am not supposed to think that Sol's fate was a bittersweet tragedy given his intentions were good? Are we supposed to think Sol (and the other Jedi I guess) deserved their deaths, so Osha triumphed by killing him?
@ru1977, oh derp. I knew that.
So the only thing Sol could've told her that she didn't already know is that she's a force clone? I guess I lost track of what Sol was trying to confess to her.
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