At the end, Qimir says "even in the revelation of our triumph you see the depth of our despair"
I googled that and came across this quote from psychologist Jordan Peterson
"even in the revelation of their Triumph, the initial depth of their despair". Whaaaaaaat?
"Was that its name?"
SpoilerEpisode 5Bortles!
Seriously, I enjoyed that one (apart from Sol not killing Qimir just because Osha yelled at him, and then Mae asking why she shouldn't trust Sol in the middle of a half dozen Jedi hacked to death like that was important at that moment)
Qimir is already more menacing than Kylo Ren ever was. After killing off the no-name Jedi, I fully expected Yord and Jecki to survive, so their deaths caught me off guard. Sad to see them go.
"She was a child" "You brought her here" was nicely done.
Mae impersonating Osha we assume (Sol should sense that)? Question is, was that the plan? Did Mae see Sol and others possessed by the Sith kill the coven - and if so was Koril in cahoots to make an Acolyte for Qimir?
On the one hand, this really made me want to watch this show, but on the other hand dammit spoilers!
I like the idea he might be a Knights of Ren, whatever that is supposed to be, given in the ST films it was never really fleshed out. So that like the witches coven, maybe they could be a force-using group that isn't the Jedi but also not the Sith (actively evil), which keeps the idea that the Sith were still believed to be "extinct" at the time of the PT and means whoever he is, he may not be part of the Plagueous/Palpy/Vader Sith lineage.
Having said that, his whole "I just want to be free" rings hollow given they might have known he even existed if he hadn't tried to get Mae to kill some Jedi.
I'm thinking an analogy for the Jedi wanting to be the gatekeepers of Force users is kind of like trying to keep some countries/groups from having nuclear weapons due. It helps explain their whole mindset really if they know first-hand what force users who let the power consume them can lead to. So the Jedi collect Force adept as young kids and try to mold them - not just to have more Jedi around, but also so that they can keep Force users from running amok without guardrails. And if they don't get them early, like Anakin they can go off the rails.
There seems to be a segment of the fandom that really wants the Jedi to be morally compromised or exposed as frauds and I am not sure why.
@fletch I recommend the show so far. I'd rate this over Ahsoka and 3rd Season Mando at this point to be honest.
@fac, I think I'd agree with you.
My lack of interest in the show wasn't over its quality or cast, just that I'm tired of Jedi. The bold description of episode 5 convinced me to pick up where I'd left off (although I confess I skipped the flashback episode entirely.)
At least in my case, it's not so much wanting the Jedi to be shown as frauds but coming away from the prequels convinced of it. Even in TPM, they felt arrogant and like you said, gatekeepers. Anakin's journey shines a light on their failings.
And that's why I felt at the end of ROTJ, Luke wasn't following what the Jedi taught, nor was he Sith. He was embracing a new way. And despite where the ST went, I think his way would not have led to another Vader situation.
And I'm hoping we get a better sense of Qimir's origins which im guessing will give that line more meaning.
I mean, The Acolyte totally did a midichlorian count. We'll never be free of that fucking horseshit.
What bothered me most about this scene was that it was a blood test done without consent, on a child by a stranger. There's no honor in that, Jedi.
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However, Jecki wasn't doing much for me as a character, and Yord only a little more, though his action figure seemed to have more personality than the onscreen character. I did like Manny's "you brought her here" response to Sol's outrage. Sol apparently cared nothing for the other five dead Jedi.
I was unimpressed with Osha and Mae's interactions - writing and acting fail, x2. And then Mae's lightsaber haircut - anyone who has ever used a curling iron knows it doesn't work like that. Space magic! Also, she's still got A FACE TATTOO.
Curious where this is going to see if it's worth the ride, but I'm always on the side of taking the Jedi down a peg. They are not great, apparently never have been, and allow terrible things to happen in the galaxy while only policing what matters *to them*. Slavery is okay, they murder anyone who gets in their way, they kick out their own students for having individual thoughts - ugh.
Also, if she has to kill someone without a weapon - wouldn't the POISON have fulfilled that? He took it willingly. Poison can be weaponized, but he basically committed suicide so I think that should count.
I mean.... Lightsabers are definitely space magic and always have been. But man, I never even noticed Mae has a face tattoo! No sarcasm
How do we know blood is extracted in a midichlorian test?
I imagine the Jedi have a right to test people for what amounts to dangerous 'mutant' powers, as authorized peace keepers in the galaxy similar to how cops can test a suspect for alcohol.
I mean.... Lightsabers are definitely space magic and always have been. But man, I never even noticed Mae has a face tattoo! No sarcasm
Same, never noticed it; but it's on her forehead under her bangs. It looks like something that only shows when the light reflects off it. Quote this post so the pic shows full-size in your Comment box to see it:
@adrienveidt ohhhhhhh yeah, I see now. Thank you! May be a plot point. And with blood for a test, didn't qui Gon take some from Anakin to test him?
@schizm They had the consent of the witches at that point to do the test, who had to know what the test entailed.
And the main mom wanted Osha to make the choice on her own, supposedly.
I dunno, it's funny how the Jedi aren't keen on others practicing the force in ways that contrast with their ways. Assimilating children is another thing I could see being equated to when the government forced Indigenous kids into boarding schools, if they wanted to pile on with bad Jedi in season 2.
This show is tough. In some ways it's been one of the better Disney shows. (Which sadly isn't saying a whole lot. It's nowhere near as good as the first couple seasons of Mandalorian or Andor but I'd rate it better than pretty much anything else ...)
But man, some of the acting and writing is really hard to take, particularly when it involves the woman playing the twins. She is just not doing a very good job. The younger actress in the flashback episode was so much better.
The Sith (I guess?) guy was great. And I really like the Sol character.
The lightsaber haircut was laughably stupid, though.
I've seen that complaint about Amandla playing the twins but I'm not seeing the issue. And I actually appreciate the switch. Seems like the point of them being twins was done early on the show so I'm glad it came back around with another plot reason. As a writer, why else make them twins? Parent Trap in space. And I actually thought the haircut was really cool.
With Mandalorian, I know it's the high water mark but I wonder if it's as good as people remember. First season was really shallow and full of side quests..which was fine, that's the nature of it, but they weren't doing anything too groundbreaking. Just having a good time playing with action figures. And I get that's probably all most people need, but sometimes it's fun to see something with more thought.
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