@enigmaticclarity he claimed he was stripped of his season two writing credit for the Cyclops thing, not fired. He was already fired at that point and the post allegedly violated an NDA he signed as a result of the firing (per DeMayo, I haven't seen a direct comment by Disney on that part of it).
I don't think much of what DeMayo has put out makes a whole lot of sense, personally. His lawyer even alleges Disney was fine with the OnlyFans and that he was an out and proud gay man so I don't think he was fired for any of that. There's certainly plenty of smoke around the whole issue of his conduct there, but I am loathe to take a mega-corporation like Disney at their word. It wouldn't surprise me if someone above him wanted to exercise more control over the show and he balked, refused notes, and didn't want to compromise on anything. Especially if he had a lot of freedom with the first season, but then folks from film wanted to insert stuff into season two. Could they have used some HR complaints they didn't consider all that serious up until then as cover to fire him? Certainly possible. They've had issues with directors in the past and replaced them with "Yes Men." Also possible he's a creep and an abusive showrunner.
No one knows on this board what happened, but at least in my experience - most employees do not want to go to HR about an issue with a coworker or supervisor unless it reaches a point they can no longer work around it, so I tend to think that if things are being reported it is not a one-time thing but a pattern; and most companies do not want to fire productive people unless they feel forced to and believe it is impacting other employees or their reputation negatively - because all that does is create a problem that needs to be solved. So, I am a bit less likely than some (I suspect) to assume that the employee was right, and the company was wrong, or stupid, or whatever.
No one knows on this board what happened, but at least in my experience - most employees do not want to go to HR about an issue with a coworker or supervisor unless it reaches a point they can no longer work around it, so I tend to think that if things are being reported it is not a one-time thing but a pattern; and most companies do not want to fire productive people unless they feel forced to and believe it is impacting other employees or their reputation negatively - because all that does is create a problem that needs to be solved. So, I am a bit less likely than some (I suspect) to assume that the employee was right, and the company was wrong, or stupid, or whatever.
Like you say, none of us know. But none of what you've written applies when an employee defends him or herself or others against executive harassment, bullying, retaliation, etc. My experience is that companies are very willing to fire any employee who exhibits solidarity with other workers, notwithstanding how productive or well regarded that employee is. And they are more than willing to weaponize performance evaluations and HR as tools to defame that employee and concoct an indemnifying narrative for themselves.
I once worked for a company (office stuff) and one of the colleagues hated the other so much that he would make up rumors about him and tell to the bosses that he did “inappropriate” things. You could easily get fired from your job for something like that. But that scum didn't care, he just didn't like the guy.
Who I certainly wouldn't trust are the corporate freaks at Disney. All their excuses and statements mean absolutely nothing. Everyone has already forgotten that they kicked out James Gunn, only to bring him back later to make a GOT3. They can't even make a fucking Blade movie and it's been 5 years.
Exactly this. When a company fires an employee, they control the narrative. They'll say well-liked employees were toxic, talented employees were incompetent, etc and often the employee has no platform from which to offer their counternarrative or are constrained from doing so by non-disparagement agreements and the threat of litigation by a high-powered team of lawyers backed by inexhaustible cash. And this company is Disney, one of the most powerful on the planet. Don't trust a thing they say about employees they've fired.
Everyone knew it was a lie, but hardly anyone stood up for the guy except us and a couple friends. The HR department knew and kept quiet about such things happening, and the bosses didn't care who got fired at all. It was a small company, now imagine what happens in a much bigger one. Like Disney.
As for DeMayo, I can see him getting fired because of creative differences, or the fact that he was trying to push a lot of stuff from the comics. And the guy sure does care about them a lot. Like I said...a lot of old Exec at Disney think your "comic stuff" is stupid, but "money is money".
So, it seems to me that speculating about the truth of the story when the bulk of it is covered by NDA's and is not likely to ever come out is somewhat pointless regardless.
You choosing to believe the creator because you like the content and distrust the company is your prerogative. But it is no more valid or true than someone else choosing to believe the rumors they heard that DeMayo was inappropriate and awful.
And at the end of the day DeMayo isn't working on the show and his lack of involvement does not automatically mean the next season of the show won't be good. We will all have to wait and see how it actually plays out.
Sigh. This is what happens to an action figure forum when there is too big a gap in the release of action figures to talk about
Yep. No one here knows the truth. And even if you think "you know", you really don't.So, it seems to me that speculating about the truth of the story when the bulk of it is covered by NDA's and is not likely to ever come out is somewhat pointless regardless.
Let just hope it's at least "ok"...
We will all have to wait and see how it actually plays out.
Sigh. This is what happens to an action figure forum when there is too big a gap in the release of action figures to talk aboutThat's what I'm talking about. I'm so tired of these gaps and "we will see you next month for ONE NEW REVEAL!". Nothing really to talk about.
None of this has anything to do with the fact that Warren G's "Regulate" is one of the smoothest songs of the 1990s.
None of this has anything to do with the fact that Warren G's "Regulate" is one of the smoothest songs of the 1990s.
Finally, something we can agree on. Nate Dogg's silky smooth singing was never better than on that tune!
"They wuz dropping and yelling, it's a tad bit late - Nate Dogg and Warren G had to regulaaaate!"
I certainly wouldn't call a person a "piece of shit" if I didn't really know him. Believing rumors on the internet from “verified sources” who “know exactly what happened” is even more foolish. None of us were there. People who write nonsense online can either make it up or deliberately humiliate someone because of personal animosity. But what can you do, most people are now willing to destroy a person life just because they read something on Reddit. And I'm not even talking about DeMayo.
Who I certainly wouldn't trust are the corporate freaks at Disney. All their excuses and statements mean absolutely nothing. Everyone has already forgotten that they kicked out James Gunn, only to bring him back later to make a GOT3. They can't even make a fucking Blade movie and it's been 5 years.
It's true, Hollywood is risk-averse (well...sometimes). But X-Men 97 didn't try to entirely replicate X-Men: The Animated Series. After episode 5, a lot has changed. The last thing I want is another season one and Wolverine as a leader, because he is popular and Deadpool 3 made money.
I believe accusers. According to various studies, less than 10% of sexual assault accusations are false, and it's much more likely 2% than 9%. People don't risk their careers to call something out, especially in Hollywood.
As someone who has been part of these investigations before, HR departments don't take this lightly. If anything, they operate far too slowly. They work in the company's best interest, and given the success of the first season, their best interest would've been retaining DeMayo. Their best interest is also avoiding the PR problem of having hired a sex pest.
As Misfit said, DeMayo's lawyers didn't even dispute the misconduct. If the accusations weren't credible, DeMayo would've sued Disney into the ground for wrongful termination and libel.
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