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Yeah it's a really nice piece.  The only thing missing for me is the Kirby face.  Lockjaw isn't a dog.  He's another Inhuman.  I hope you find one at a good price.  Crystal is nice as well.  I don't regret the purchase.


   
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Posted by: @puckace

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Yeah it's a really nice piece.  The only thing missing for me is the Kirby face.  Lockjaw isn't a dog.  He's another Inhuman.  I hope you find one at a good price.  Crystal is nice as well.  I don't regret the purchase.

Well said. If they had just included a more Kirby-style face option, it would have been great, even with the less-than-ideal leg poseability. But Crystal in and of herself is great.

 


   
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Yeah I'm ok with the legs because Lockjaw is a heavy boy.  I'm not sure articulated knees would hold up over time.  I really just want him to be able to stand for the teleportation look anyway.  But I really wish he had the Kirby look.  I will never use the tongue out face plate.  Looks dumb to me.


   
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Why is Lockjaw so heavy? Couldn't he have been hollow inside? Rotocast his torso?


   
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Posted by: @puckace

The only thing missing for me is the Kirby face.  Lockjaw isn't a dog.  He's another Inhuman.

Crystal and Johnny sure thought he was a dog in his very first appearance.


   
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Conversely…

https://imgur.com/a/RrNM4Vk


   
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Posted by: @thor-el

Conversely…

https://imgur.com/a/RrNM4Vk

What's going on there?  I can tell Quicksilver is upset about his daughter being human, but I can't tell what Lockjaw means.  And that's definitely the first time I've ever seen him talk so that's interesting.

But he's still always looked like a huge dog.  I don't get what the issue is with making the figure look like a giant bulldog or how the early Kirby faces are all that different than what we got.

 


   
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Notably, EC,  Johnny thinks it's a dog because that's what it looks like to him.  Crystal never says, nor thinks, it's a dog -  she just references that he has a master, Black Bolt.   Lots of people serve masters too.

 

As for what the issue is -  the main issue I've seen people take with it - and certainly my main issue is the face plate.    Early Lockjaw, and definitely evident in the page you posted,  is depicted with a heavy black "mustache" on the upper lip.   That was a defining feature on Lockjaw for years,  something that is decidedly missing on the figure we got.   


   
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Regarding Lockjaw's missing classic faceplate: I'd guess it's a Jesse Falcon thing. He tends to prefer modern looks.


   
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At least the way he's constructed easily lends itself to a classic faceplate in the future. Or maybe some intrepid customizer could make and sell a classic Lockjaw face? Hmmmmm Benty hmmmmm?

 

I've never thought of this before, but Lockjaw and Crystal both have these nebulous black bands as part of their designs. Is Crystal wearing a headband, or is it actual color in her hair? Does Lockjaw have an actual moustache?

 

I also thought Lockjaw's human/humanoid origins were canon, but it appears to be ambiguous at best. See "Notes" section here: https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Lockjaw_(Earth-616)

In Thing #3, writer John Byrne had Lockjaw himself reveal he possesses the ability to talk, as well as the fact that he's an Inhuman whose appearance was deformed to that of a dog due to exposure to Terrigen Mists. Apparently, many people at Marvel hated the idea, and said revelation was retconned in X-Factor #71, when Quicksilver disclosed to Multiple Man that the instance of the revelation was a prank meant for The Thing carried out by Karnak and Gorgon, who used the dog's antenna as a high-powered transmitter to make it seem as if he talked.[82]

According to X-Factor writer Peter David, this explanation for the retcon was meant to be absurd so it could be ambiguous whether Quicksilver was telling the truth or lying to Multiple Man. Fans who disliked Byrne's revelation could embrace the retcon, and those who liked it could look for reasons that Quicksilver was, in fact, lying to Madrox. David himself presented a theory to disprove his own reaction, arguing that if in Thing #3 it was revealed that Lockjaw's status was the Inhumans' darkest secret, Quicksilver could've come up with the prank explanation to throw Multiple Man off the track.

The flashback from Black Bolt #5 confirmed Lockjaw's origin as a dog, altered at birth due to Inhumans' experiments.


   
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Posted by: @beamish

Regarding Lockjaw's missing classic faceplate: I'd guess it's a Jesse Falcon thing. He tends to prefer modern looks.

I get the sense that far more people collecting these figures would prefer classic looks they grew up with than modern flash in the pan looks being immortalized in plastic. 

 


   
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Posted by: @beamish

Regarding Lockjaw's missing classic faceplate: I'd guess it's a Jesse Falcon thing. He tends to prefer modern looks.

I get the sense that far more people collecting these figures would prefer classic looks they grew up with than modern flash in the pan looks being immortalized in plastic. 

 

 

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Posted by: @h-bird

At least the way he's constructed easily lends itself to a classic faceplate in the future. Or maybe some intrepid customizer could make and sell a classic Lockjaw face? Hmmmmm Benty hmmmmm?

 

 

Definitely in the planning stages. Of course If Hasbro loved us they'd include a classic face plate in the alleged Black Bolt/Triton two-pack.

 


   
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Posted by: @ibentmyman-thing

Posted by: @h-bird

At least the way he's constructed easily lends itself to a classic faceplate in the future. Or maybe some intrepid customizer could make and sell a classic Lockjaw face? Hmmmmm Benty hmmmmm?

 

 

Definitely in the planning stages. Of course If Hasbro loved us they'd include a classic face plate in the alleged Black Bolt/Triton two-pack.

 

I could kiss you.

I'll save you the trauma and kiss a gigantic mustachioed mutant bulldog, instead.

 


   
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Posted by: @panthercult

Notably, EC,  Johnny thinks it's a dog because that's what it looks like to him.  Crystal never says, nor thinks, it's a dog -  she just references that he has a master, Black Bolt.   Lots of people serve masters too.

 

As for what the issue is -  the main issue I've seen people take with it - and certainly my main issue is the face plate.    Early Lockjaw, and definitely evident in the page you posted,  is depicted with a heavy black "mustache" on the upper lip.   That was a defining feature on Lockjaw for years,  something that is decidedly missing on the figure we got.   

100% all this!

 

Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

I don't get what the issue is with making the figure look like a giant bulldog or how the early Kirby faces are all that different than what we got.

 

That makes you the target audience for this release of Lockjaw.  I like the figure.  It's just not the look I was hoping for.

 

 


   
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