I think more people than not will end up getting this. As soon as Hasbro sends a couple of these figures off to the influencers, people on the fence will be won over quick. They won't stand a chance against that FOMO.
i mean this has me suckered in at buying 2... since there's both a Mcfarlane AND and a 90s Bagley head. I'd prefer a re-release in a lighter more vibrant blue, but i can always sell one off if we ever get that
If this is actually the definitive Spider-Man, this line will do fine. Even folks here who say they won't spend $50 will buy it.
So, I've been a big advocate in other threads for buying figures at full retail price to support the line, rather than wait for clearance price on everything - because having everyone wait for clearance price on everything is a way to guarantee eventually we get nothing... but I'm also convicted that I will not pay double the retail Legends price for a Legends figure because as "definitive" as it may be with a few added articulation efforts and handful of added accessories that I personally will literally never use - there's simply not double the value in this figure over other Spider-Man figures they've sold me.
we love Jada but they're not on Hasbro's radar.
They should be. They are Hasbro's direct competition on retail shelves (more so than Mafex ever was) and there are many people who believe that Jada (in their limited portfolio of 6" figure releases) are already doing things objectively better than Hasbro ML.
Putting aside all the extras this Spider-Man comes with, it's going to be a hard sell to convince me that the figure itself is SO much better as to warrant this price hike. Yes, it's a new buck and new tooling. So was the Vulcan buck at one time. The proportions on this figure appear to be on point but it doesn't cost more to do it correctly or to make the articulation function the way it should, just a willingness on the part of the manufacturer to do so.
Jada isn't competition to hasbro, because Jada doesn't currently have an IP nearly as big as anything hasbro or McFarlane does. They might be able to make figures look good and cheap, but it's not like the Street Fighter fans for instance are nearly as large as DC/Marvel/Star Wars. So they won't be "losing" money because of them
I don't know about that. I think their FA Spider-Man is pretty good.
I mean Spiderman in a popular comic look. A modern Spiderman that the masses recognize. Sure they'd recognize FA as Spiderman but the logo and colors would look off. But I agree that's a nice mold, I like it a lot on the Secret Wars black costume Spiderman.
A Hulk for me would have to have butterfly joints that move forward as well as backward, toe articulation, GOOD neck articulation that allows him to look UP in a hunched position, pinless joints. Alternate heads and hands (fists, grasping, thunder-clap). Maybe a shredded shirt that fits around his arms so it doesn't just flop off. I'd prefer the hue of green that the 80th Hulk used (in the 2pk with FA Wolverine). I also love that head sculpt, never liked the 20th Hulk heads. If this Spidey is 50, I'd hope they could pull off a Hulk like that for 60-65.
Agreed would like a Hulk as you describe.
Please excuse my pedantry but I'll take issue with phrasing of the last sentence.
"If this Spidey is 50, I'd hope they could pull off a Hulk like that for 60-65."
The phrase 'pull off' here reads to me as if there would be some sort of lift on Hasbro's part to keep the pricepoint in that range and still make profit, as if the Maximum pricepoint is calibrated off anything other than greed. I think $50 for Spiderman is a pretty obvious gouge relative to what you get in the standard line at $25 and the profit here is ... above average. I think they can set the price at $60-65 for Hulk and make their profits no problem. In fact, given that Hasbro's argument is that this Spidey is $50 due to a (marginally) higher accessory count than standard figures, and anticipating that Hulk's accessory count will be lower (less hands, likely same number of heads, no web effects, maybe a clap effect or piece of debris), I think the lower accessory count should more than offset Hulk's larger body size and they should be able to make their profit selling him at the already bloated $50 pricepoint.
(None of this aimed as argument against you, Norm, and I'm foisting a lot of interpretation on this that likely wasn't your intended meaning. That phrase just triggered me given my feelings on this fun new pricepoint for what is basically a standard Spidey with a few more hands and webs. Whether they call it 'inflation' or 'improbably high valued webs!" I am sick of corporate America's insane greed.)
Eh. This Spidey looks pretty great but I'm at the point that I have enough Spider-Men, -Women, -Pigs, and the rest. It'll be easy for me to avoid this line until they start making X-Men. The price doesn't bother me, this seems like Hasbro going for "import quality" and it's still less than I'd spend on the average MAFEX or SH Figuarts.
I will enjoy reading 50 pages of discourse about how fair/unfair the price is with a complete lack of self-awareness that nobody has to buy this, and you do not need another Spider-Man figure and therefore are not being taken advantage of.
I really want Hulk to be modeled after Marvel Vs Capcom hulk... aka early 90s Smart Hulk. Vibrant green and everything and that "superman swoosh" of hair. Give us something unique and make it look worth the cost... and "thunder clap" hands and butterfly joints to make it work, are a must.
Agreed on Jada. Sure, they're making some companies look bad with what they're putting out for the price, but so long as Jada can't sell you a Spider-Man or a Wolverine they're no competition to Hasbro. Doesn't mean we won't see any influence from their product creep in. I think back to Toy Biz and McFarlane in the 90s. Once McFarlane's Spawn toys were coming out with a lot more detail in their sculpt we definitely saw that influence the output from Toy Biz, even if McFarlane couldn't sell you a Marvel figure. For the most part, Jada is just going to be something the Legends guys hate having to address as people probably already ask them about what they're putting out and I'm sure they have a company line kind of response for: our licensing costs are different, our distribution is different, we have shareholders, we think we're just as good, etc.
Agreed on Jada. Sure, they're making some companies look bad with what they're putting out for the price, but so long as Jada can't sell you a Spider-Man or a Wolverine they're no competition to Hasbro. Doesn't mean we won't see any influence from their product creep in. I think back to Toy Biz and McFarlane in the 90s. Once McFarlane's Spawn toys were coming out with a lot more detail in their sculpt we definitely saw that influence the output from Toy Biz, even if McFarlane couldn't sell you a Marvel figure. For the most part, Jada is just going to be something the Legends guys hate having to address as people probably already ask them about what they're putting out and I'm sure they have a company line kind of response for: our licensing costs are different, our distribution is different, we have shareholders, we think we're just as good, etc.
I agree, i actually think Spider-Man Classics, The X-men Evolution (film to comic 2 packs) and Marvel Legends themselves were heavily influenced by what McFarlane was doing at the time, they just added in functional articulation. But you can't honestly look at like Man-Thing and Venom from Spider-Man Classics, or Toad from Legends wave 1 for instance, and not clearly see the McFarlane influence
A Hulk for me would have to have butterfly joints that move forward as well as backward, toe articulation, GOOD neck articulation that allows him to look UP in a hunched position, pinless joints. Alternate heads and hands (fists, grasping, thunder-clap). Maybe a shredded shirt that fits around his arms so it doesn't just flop off. I'd prefer the hue of green that the 80th Hulk used (in the 2pk with FA Wolverine). I also love that head sculpt, never liked the 20th Hulk heads. If this Spidey is 50, I'd hope they could pull off a Hulk like that for 60-65.
Agreed would like a Hulk as you describe.
Please excuse my pedantry but I'll take issue with phrasing of the last sentence.
"If this Spidey is 50, I'd hope they could pull off a Hulk like that for 60-65."
The phrase 'pull off' here reads to me as if there would be some sort of lift on Hasbro's part to keep the pricepoint in that range and still make profit, as if the Maximum pricepoint is calibrated off anything other than greed. I think $50 for Spiderman is a pretty obvious gouge relative to what you get in the standard line at $25 and the profit here is ... above average. I think they can set the price at $60-65 for Hulk and make their profits no problem. In fact, given that Hasbro's argument is that this Spidey is $50 due to a (marginally) higher accessory count than standard figures, and anticipating that Hulk's accessory count will be lower (less hands, likely same number of heads, no web effects, maybe a clap effect or piece of debris), I think the lower accessory count should more than offset Hulk's larger body size and they should be able to make their profit selling him at the already bloated $50 pricepoint.
(None of this aimed as argument against you, Norm, and I'm foisting a lot of interpretation on this that likely wasn't your intended meaning. That phrase just triggered me given my feelings on this fun new pricepoint for what is basically a standard Spidey with a few more hands and webs. Whether they call it 'inflation' or 'improbably high valued webs!" I am sick of corporate America's insane greed.)
I'm feeling this way about Hulk. They've set a high floor for this Maximum line and it would be an easier ask if that price applied across the board. No doubt that Hulk will be priced higher than Spidey, and I like what Norm describes as the necessary elements. More than anything I want to see them start incorporating ball waists instead of straight cuts - talk about looking at Jada and recognizing where they're doing things right.
I will enjoy reading 50 pages of discourse about how fair/unfair the price is with a complete lack of self-awareness that nobody has to buy this, and you do not need another Spider-Man figure and therefore are not being taken advantage of.
This is a pretty reactionary take if you think about it. The endpoint of it (which you may not advocate but which we are approaching societally) is that niceties are for the rich alone. That as long as something isn't absolutely essential to life and you don't *need* to buy it, it is ok that those of lower means are priced out. Should only the rich have hobbies?
I'd prefer they make my described Hulk at $50, but his accessories would be bigger/bulkier/require more plastic than all the accessories Spider-Man comes with. If he realistically came with that many parts as a figure that's easily 4-5x the mass of Spider-Man, I think 60-65 is low compared to what I dread they'd charge.A Hulk for me would have to have butterfly joints that move forward as well as backward, toe articulation, GOOD neck articulation that allows him to look UP in a hunched position, pinless joints. Alternate heads and hands (fists, grasping, thunder-clap). Maybe a shredded shirt that fits around his arms so it doesn't just flop off. I'd prefer the hue of green that the 80th Hulk used (in the 2pk with FA Wolverine). I also love that head sculpt, never liked the 20th Hulk heads. If this Spidey is 50, I'd hope they could pull off a Hulk like that for 60-65.
Agreed would like a Hulk as you describe.
Please excuse my pedantry but I'll take issue with phrasing of the last sentence.
"If this Spidey is 50, I'd hope they could pull off a Hulk like that for 60-65."
The phrase 'pull off' here reads to me as if there would be some sort of lift on Hasbro's part to keep the pricepoint in that range and still make profit, as if the Maximum pricepoint is calibrated off anything other than greed. I think $50 for Spiderman is a pretty obvious gouge relative to what you get in the standard line at $25 and the profit here is ... above average. I think they can set the price at $60-65 for Hulk and make their profits no problem. In fact, given that Hasbro's argument is that this Spidey is $50 due to a (marginally) higher accessory count than standard figures, and anticipating that Hulk's accessory count will be lower (less hands, likely same number of heads, no web effects, maybe a clap effect or piece of debris), I think the lower accessory count should more than offset Hulk's larger body size and they should be able to make their profit selling him at the already bloated $50 pricepoint.
(None of this aimed as argument against you, Norm, and I'm foisting a lot of interpretation on this that likely wasn't your intended meaning. That phrase just triggered me given my feelings on this fun new pricepoint for what is basically a standard Spidey with a few more hands and webs. Whether they call it 'inflation' or 'improbably high valued webs!" I am sick of corporate America's insane greed.)
I'm feeling this way about Hulk. They've set a high floor for this Maximum line and it would be an easier ask if that price applied across the board. No doubt that Hulk will be priced higher than Spidey, and I like what Norm describes as the necessary elements. More than anything I want to see them start incorporating ball waists instead of straight cuts - talk about looking at Jada and recognizing where they're doing things right.
@spideyboy1111 I think you can go back even further. This Venom The Symbiote figure they did would have totally fit in with that McFarlane aesthetic:
They could have call that thing Venom: The Violator.
Agreed on Jada. Sure, they're making some companies look bad with what they're putting out for the price, but so long as Jada can't sell you a Spider-Man or a Wolverine they're no competition to Hasbro.
I have to disagree. They are definitely the competition. No, they do not have the same licensed characters, but if you're talking objectively well-executed action figures, you bet they are competition. It's like the fast food industry. McDonald's and Subway are competitors. If you ONLY eat Big Macs, then, of course, you'll never go into a Subway. But those two chains are still competitors.
I will enjoy reading 50 pages of discourse about how fair/unfair the price is with a complete lack of self-awareness that nobody has to buy this, and you do not need another Spider-Man figure and therefore are not being taken advantage of.
Or it's just people discussing their hobby and pricing of said hobby. I don't think I've seen anyone say they're obligated into buying Maximum Spidey. Some are fine with the pricing. Some aren't. Hence discussion. I most certainly do not need another Spider-Man and certainly not at this pricepoint. I'll be more emotionally invested in Maximum pricing discussions if they offer a character I want, like Iron Man or Captain America.
I'm anticipating Maximum Hulk to be $75. I regularly buy import figures of things like orcs and monsters at that pricepoint, so I think Hulk being priced so high won't be as shocking to me. But something about a regular sized figure being priced at twice the cost of a regular release is irksome. There's more flex in pricing for me if the figure is oversized.
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