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Honestly, other than ones who might be hot buttons because of political issues (classic Sabra is probably never coming and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t make the MCU version either), I can’t think of any impossible ones.

A better question might be feasibility, since I think that’s more likely something that keeps certain characters out of the line. For instance, there are some Serpent Society members I’d be shocked if we ever get because the amount of new tooling it’d cost would probably be a hard sell to the execs.


   
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Posted by: @hbhfback

For instance, there are some Serpent Society members I’d be shocked if we ever get because the amount of new tooling it’d cost would probably be a hard sell to the execs.

 

For sure I think Anaconda is a long shot for exactly this reason.   Mattel made it work with Squeeeze in their MOTU Classics line but I'm not sure the Legends team has the stomach for it.   Honestly I'd be OK if they just did her as a basic figure without an expression of her powers...  I don't think the swappable long arms like Jada included with their Dhalsim would work for her because she uses her long arms to crush people and things mostly...    I don't know though... Bushmaster just requires a snake tail,  again Mattel are doing that in MOTU so it's not impossible...  but it's convincing the executives it's worth the lack of re-use  that's tricky.  

 


   
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Attuma because, um, well... I got nothin'.

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What Marvel Legends can never do is make ME truly pleased. Suck it, Hasbro!!


   
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Posted by: @hbhfback

For instance, there are some Serpent Society members I’d be shocked if we ever get because the amount of new tooling it’d cost would probably be a hard sell to the execs.

For sure I think Anaconda is a long shot for exactly this reason.   Mattel made it work with Squeeeze in their MOTU Classics line but I'm not sure the Legends team has the stomach for it.   Honestly I'd be OK if they just did her as a basic figure without an expression of her powers...  I don't think the swappable long arms like Jada included with their Dhalsim would work for her because she uses her long arms to crush people and things mostly...    I don't know though... Bushmaster just requires a snake tail,  again Mattel are doing that in MOTU so it's not impossible...  but it's convincing the executives it's worth the lack of re-use  that's tricky.  

 

Is the difference here just the lack of license fees for an in-house brand allowing a higher budget per figure/wave/line?

 


   
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There’s always ol’ Captain Confederacy… for reasons.

Should include most of the giant monsters.  Many of them, this side of Foom and maybe Gargantua, just don’t have the following to justify the cost in production.


   
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I think it'd be pretty hard for them to make David Letterman.


   
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I want a Shuma Gorath in the same size range as Dragon Man, NOT a Gargantos!


   
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We’ll have to see how big the leaked MVC Shuma is, but it’s worth noting he’s much smaller in the games than the comics.


   
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@hbhfback Well, I hope that he's larger than that because that wouldn't likely be any better than the Heroclix stand-in that I've already got for him. That one is 7" tall and 5" wide and probably more comic accurate than a video game version of the character would be. The only thing with any articulation is the eyeball though.

I bought the lego version of Gargantos from the Multiverse of Madness movie also while it was on deep clearance (less than $10), but stongly prefer the Heroclix between the two, because you know, Lego. The heroclix vesion still goes better with the 1/18th scale stuff than the 1/12th stuff though, of course.


   
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I’m hoping he’s deluxe sized.


   
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@hbhfback Yes, even super deluxe, something similar to Cyborg Spider-Woman, Odin or Blob type of size, for sure (if not bigger). I'd be totally fine if they went the "Made to Order" route on Shuma.


   
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Some of you guys might find this interesting so I'll go ahead and post it.  It's going to be kind of long so feel free to skip it if you want.

Once upon a time I used to be a toy reporter.  Way back in 2008, I think it was, when Mattel and DC worked out a deal and Mattel started to produce a line modeled after Marvel Legends called DC Universe Classics, I interviewed the guy in charge of the line at SDCC, Scott Neitlich.  I had to get permission from Mattel's publicity department which, thankfully, was easy.  Scott was a great guy and gave me plenty of time.  He answered all my questions and was open and honest which I really appreciated.  Now this was when the line was just getting underway and Mattel had access to the entire DC Universe.  And the line was selling.  Wal-Mart loved them.  The thing that surprised me the most was Scott name checked a bunch of characters that were never made as toys before and were obscure to say the least. Chlorophyll Kid, Kamandi, the Chief from the Doom Patrol, Doc Magnus from the Metal Men ... the impression I was getting from him was that everything was possible and nothing was off the table.  Finally, I had to ask him "Okay, are there any characters that you will NOT consider making for any reason?"  Without hesitating for a second, he said "Any Nazi character."  And I said "Really?"  He replied "Come on.  We're Mattel.  We make toys.  We make Hot Wheels and Barbie.  We're not making Nazi's."  And I said (And I have no idea why this particular character popped in my head) "So we're not getting Captain Nazi?"  and he said "No.  No Captain Nazi.  Ever."  So after the exhibit hall closed, I went home, typed up and posted my report, and went to bed thinking that was that.

Now here's the interesting part.  When DC Universe Classics started, there were tons of polls and wish list threads on message boards all over the internet.  Hey, we're toy fans.  It's what we do.  And in all of those posts, I never once saw anyone ever ask for Captain Nazi.  Not once.  Never saw the name in any post.  That's why I thought Mattel never making Nazi figures was any kind of big deal.  Well, after AFI published my interview, you know what happened?  All of a sudden there was a huge outcry for ... Captain Nazi.  Fans were outraged that Mattel would dare have the audacity to say no to possibly THE GREATEST GOLDEN AGE VILLAIN OF ALL TIME.  HOW DARE THEY?

Same kind of thing happened around the same time frame with DC Direct.  On the official DC message boards there was a small but impassioned grass roots effort to get DCD to make a figure of Ma Hunkel, the original Red Tornado.  You can google her if you don't know who she is.  Yes, she was a very obscure character but historically she was important.  She attended the first meeting of the Justice Society of America in All Star Comics #3.  She was only in it for a couple of pages but she was there.  And she may have been the very first female super hero, predating even Wonder Woman.  So a few of us, not a lot but a few, were asking on the boards.  At the next SDCC I asked Mr. Georg Brewer, the Vice-President in charge of DC Direct, about the possibility of Mrs. Hunkel as an action figure.  And Georg's answer surprised the shit out of me.  "No" he said.  I'd never heard him use that word before.  He said that she was "too much of a niche character" and that there would be no support for her at retail.  He said that they MIGHT make a non-articulated resin statue that was in scale with the rest of the line but even that was a long shot.  Dejected, I reported my findings on the DCD board.  And can you guess what happened?  That "small but impassioned group" suddenly turned into a very large and very angry mob that demanded, DEMANDED I SAY, A MA HUNKEL FIGURE and they wanted it RIGHT THE HELL NOW.  HOW DARE DCD TELL US NO?  WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE?

See, I guess it boils down to this:  We're toy fans.  We don't deal with the word "no" very well.  We want to believe that everything and anything is possible and as long as we keep asking we'll get it someday. The word "no" is absolute and takes away our hope.  It crushes the child inside us.

So, I told you all that so now I'm going to tell you this.

There are two characters that have appeared in comics that I want very, very badly.  I have never told anyone this before.  Never articulated it, never wrote it, never posted it.  I've never said it out loud, always kept it inside.  I think because I know that there is not a snowball's chance in Hell that they'll ever happen because if they did I would be the only one to ever buy them.

The two characters?  Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.  And the reason why is simple.  Roosevelt founded the Justice Society of America.  Churchill founded the Invaders.  Without these two guys, the first and greatest superhero groups of all time would never have happened.  Franklin and Winston would go proudly up on my Golden Age shelf (Which is still waiting for the Jim Hammond Torch and Toro.  Sometime this century, Hasbro.  Please). 

I guess the reason I've never told anyone that is because I know it's just never going to happen.  It's been nearly 25 years since Marvel Legends started and we STILL don't have a Hammond Human Torch.  Two civilian figures from that time period is ... well, it's never going to happen.  That's why I've never asked anyone at Mattel, DC Direct, ToyBiz or Hasbro.  Why bother?  But I'm okay with it.  It is what it is. 

But I guess ... there's a part of me, a very small part, that still thinks anything is possible.  I remember a line from The Shawshank Redemption that I always loved: ""Remember Red, hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies".

Anyway, just thought I'd share.  It's been an interesting thread so far.


   
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It's a shame Jim Beard never got MA Hunkel.


   
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The Doctor Who line made Winston Churchill. He's 5" but if you put him in the back of your display you could fudge him in under "forced perspective".

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