Posted by: @beamish

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-Avengers #1 debuted in September of 1963

Actually, Avengers 1 and X-Men 1 are both cover dated September 1963, but back in those days comics hit the stands about three months before the cover date.  So it's likely Avengers came out in July of 1963.  What exact day in July we'll probably never know.  It all depended on what part of the country (or world) you lived in and how quickly your local newsstand, drug store, grocery store or dime store put them on the shelves. 

But yeah, we can still say September.  Why not? Works for me.  😀 

Posted by: @occulus

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Posted by: @h-bird

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@beamish That would be a home run set for me! I have a hard time imagining them going all the way with the swappable overlays, etc, but it's exactly the kind of fully realized/dream project I'd like to see them doing with Haslabs.

Also I'll take a brief moment here to grieve the Hellcharger. RIP demon car, and bless Ramen Toy for the work they're doing to make up for (and maybe improve upon...?) your absence.

 

Absolutely. I ordered the Race because I didn't like the way the EOV HasbLab was set up. I can't wait till it ships in December!

 

I'm very stoked for it as well! Really, really impressed with what they've shown so far. I'm no customizer, but I'm going to need to find a good base body to build my own Robbie (using the Ramen-supplied head, of course).

Posted by: @tsi

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I think "box set" has been thrown around based on what I said on the last page. If you read my post, I didn't mean a literal box set. I'm talking about one BAF-sized character (Mangog, Cameron Hodge, etc.) and more obscure characters accompanying them. Throw in a few unique sculpts to justify the HasLab concept.

You mean like this one that has two BAFs?  I'd definitely call this one a box set.

I agree with Enigmatic Clarity here, they have outlets for box sets and exclusives already, they want to do things they can't do at retail with the HasLab. They produce 100+ figures a year, and most of the characters people mention either are too obscure to get funded as a premium HasLab or popular enough that a regular release is doable. I mean, "Here are 12 figures we don't think people actually want to buy, let's make it a $350 HasLab" is an interesting marketing choice.

The only possible box set to me would be a "Hell" based one with demons, Son of Satan, Mephisto, etc. that they don't think they can get to retail - think the tiers for the Hellcharger without the car. But even that I think they could just go ahead and do as a SDCC or Pulse exclusive.

Posted by: @tsi

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• Giant-Man
• Fin Fang Foom
• Spider-Mobile
• Fantasticar
• Blackbird
• Quinjet

I have serious doubts about all but the first two.

I think that is about it as well. I would probably drop the Blackbird and Spider-Mobile as not likely, with the Fantasticar being the best option after Giant Man if they kept it under $200. Foom I think would sell, but he would spread out quite a bit on the shelf (compared to the Sentinel and Galactus who are vertical) and might be hard to display if made big enough...

I do think a well done Danger Room might work.

Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

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If they offer something as a Haslab that could easily just be a Pulse or Fan Channel exclusive then they're diluting the concept, and every impression I've gotten from everything they've ever said tells me they keenly understand this. 

I'm not suggesting it would be something that could "just as easily be done" as retail box set.   You acknowledged your ignorance about the Legion of Super Heroes pack from Mattel -  but that pack was a set of 12 figures - one of which was a 10 inch tall Colossal Boy.   No retailer is ever stocking a 12 pack of figures - so that was not the kind of project that could be done at retail 'just as easily'.   

The suggestion here would be something like a multi-pack that could get a swath of wanted or needed characters out in one fell swoop -  maybe that would require extra tooling that would be harder to budget into a retail wave.

For example - a Serpent society set that could include characters that would require some intense new tooling like Anaconda, Sidewinder, Bushmaster and Death Adder.   Such a set could also include some less tooling forward members like Asp, Black Mamba and Diamond Back.      That's the kind of set that would be a tough sell at retail - especially with the mark up necessary for the unique tooling for some of them... but could make sense as Project offering.   Maybe include a battle damaged Captain America or a Serpent Crown scarlet witch or something for them to work against.     If you want to add in some bonus tiers it could be an extra set of stretchy arms for Anaconda,  alternate head sculpts for Bushmaster or Cottonmouth or whatever.   

It's the kind of thing that would be tough for a retail partner to sign up for but could generate enough interest to get a HasLab type crowd fund effort moving.    Give me 9 figures for $300 and I'll take the up charge to knock out a huge segment of my want list one quick effort and get the attention that figures like Anaconda, Bushmaster and Death Adder need but would struggle to find in any retail format.

I don't think that's the impossible dream you think it is -  especially if they can't get other oversized products off the ground.    And let's be honest there is not a single vehicle HasLab that will fund and I'm not sure there's a ton of giant figure projects that will work out for them either.

Posted by: @ashtalon

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I think comic Giant-Man should top out at 15".  

Honestly, I think anything at 18" or shorter would just be sold at retail. The Marvel Universe Galactus was 19" and the Sentinel was 16". I don't think they'd bother with a HasLab for something that. I mean the Surtur and Super-Adaptoid were 12" tall and sold for between $50-$70. If they were only going to make Giant-Man 15-18" tall then I think he would have just been offered through normal retail or as an exclusive for $100-$200. I can't imagine that they are ever going to do a Marvel HasLab for under $300 due to the licensing cost to Disney. Anything under $200 especially could easily just be a Hasbro Pulse or Amazon exclusive with no need to lock it behind a funding vehicle. They do box sets all of the time for well more than $100.

Update: But of course, the Engine of Vengeance was considered 18.5" long, so that alone might honestly shoot my argument out of the water. However I think that was different because they knew that project wouldn't sell at retail at that price point they'd have to ask. Giant Man would almost certainly be more successful at retail than Robbie.

Posted by: @tsi

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Posted by: @onetwelfthghoul

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I honestly don't want one that's too tall as it won't fit in my detolf. I still love the Toybiz BAF.

Good luck. The absurd height of the first two HasLab campaigns scared me away. Detolf shelves are only about 16" high, so it's unlikely that this campaign (or many others) will fit.

Oh I know, I fully expect it to be at least 18"-20" just so it "beats" the Toybiz version. Hopefully he'll be small enough where he can hunch over in a detolf & still look somewhat good, but I'm not counting on it.

Posted by: @stephenwdavis

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Honestly, I think anything at 18" or shorter would just be sold at retail.   If they were only going to make Giant-Man 15-18" tall then I think he would have just been offered through normal retail or as an exclusive for $100-$200. I can't imagine that they are ever going to do a Marvel HasLab for under $300 due to the licensing cost to Disney. Anything under $200 especially could easily just be a Hasbro Pulse or Amazon exclusive with no need to lock it behind a funding vehicle.

If it is much taller than 18 inches I may be out.  I don't want a two foot tall Giant Man in my display   And I think you are overestimating how much tolerance retail vendors have for giant packages like an 18" action figure,  especially with a $100+ sticker price.   Black series 6" scaled vehicles haven't done well.    Heck the last round of 12 inch Marvel figures didn't do great at retail either.     This hand waving of 'anything under $200 could easily be done thru Amazon'  seems overly optimistic.   Amazon mutlipacks have been mostly low effort repaints with a single new figure so Amazon isn't taking a bath when the sets eventually hit deep clearance - like they all do.   

Posted by: @panthercult

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And I think you are overestimating how much tolerance retail vendors have for giant packages like an 18" action figure,  especially with a $100+ sticker price.

Mass retail doesn't pick these up much, but NECA has found a market for this with their 1/4 scale figures that many fan channels sell.  They've been cranking them out steadily for 5+ years now with no signs of stopping at a current MSRP ranging from $100 to $150.

Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

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Posted by: @panthercult

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And I think you are overestimating how much tolerance retail vendors have for giant packages like an 18" action figure,  especially with a $100+ sticker price.

 

Mass retail doesn't pick these up much, but NECA has found a market for this with their 1/4 scale figures that many fan channels sell.  They've been cranking them out steadily for 5+ years now with no signs of stopping at a current MSRP ranging from $100 to $150.

 

Sure... OK -  and clearly Hasbro agrees it's a highly viable avenue which is why they have also been steadily producing figures at this size and price for Fan Channel distribution...  or maybe not so much

Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

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Posted by: @panthercult

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And I think you are overestimating how much tolerance retail vendors have for giant packages like an 18" action figure,  especially with a $100+ sticker price.

 

Mass retail doesn't pick these up much, but NECA has found a market for this with their 1/4 scale figures that many fan channels sell.  They've been cranking them out steadily for 5+ years now with no signs of stopping at a current MSRP ranging from $100 to $150.

 

Speaking of,when are they gonna do an MCU Scott Lang? That figure would have the most crossover potential for them.

Posted by: @ru1977

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Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

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Posted by: @panthercult

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And I think you are overestimating how much tolerance retail vendors have for giant packages like an 18" action figure,  especially with a $100+ sticker price.

 

Mass retail doesn't pick these up much, but NECA has found a market for this with their 1/4 scale figures that many fan channels sell.  They've been cranking them out steadily for 5+ years now with no signs of stopping at a current MSRP ranging from $100 to $150.

 

 

Speaking of,when are they gonna do an MCU Scott Lang? That figure would have the most crossover potential for them.

 

They don't do many Marvel characters...anyone know why?  They did a 1/4 scale Daredevil a few years ago, and that's the only one I've ever seen.  But I won't be surprised if you guys know of others.  They keep cranking out 1/4 scale DC and other lines, but I'm surprised they don't do more Marvel.

I know of Deadpool then also MCU versions of Captain America and Iron Man. I can't remember any others though. 

Posted by: @enigmaticclarity

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Posted by: @tsi

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I think "box set" has been thrown around based on what I said on the last page. If you read my post, I didn't mean a literal box set. I'm talking about one BAF-sized character (Mangog, Cameron Hodge, etc.) and more obscure characters accompanying them. Throw in a few unique sculpts to justify the HasLab concept.

 

You mean like this one that has two BAFs?  I'd definitely call this one a box set.

 

I think they're different. That's a five-pack based on one of the biggest movies ever released. I'm talking about the Warriors Three + Bloodaxe. Those are four C-list characters at best. PantherCult's Serpent Society set is another example of what I'm talking about. Some unique sculpting + obscure characters + could only work at retail over the course of several years.

My point is this: Hasbro wants to continue producing HasLabs indefinitely > there are relatively few concepts that could succeed in the current model (massive figures or vehicles) > a logical next step would be something like the SDCC sets of old but with more unique tooling and extravagant themes