@therealsmallville You could've had a collection as complete as DCUC if McFarlane hadn't decided to go the route of making every Batman under the sun and then Jokerizing everything else. Don't be mad at us, be mad at daddy Todd.
In regards to teams we have way more teen titans, Legion of Superheroes, Lanterns, Metal Men, Suicide Squad, Batman Family, Superman Family, Shazam Family, New God's from Mattel than from Mcfarlane.
Mattel had the license forever, McFarlane just completed year 4. I would hope Mattel had completed more teams in the time they had it, it's not a very fair comparison. We're talking, what...4 times the amount of time McFarlane had it?
In regards to teams we have way more teen titans, Legion of Superheroes, Lanterns, Metal Men, Suicide Squad, Batman Family, Superman Family, Shazam Family, New God's from Mattel than from Mcfarlane.
Mattel had the license forever, McFarlane just completed year 4. I would hope Mattel had completed more teams in the time they had it, it's not a very fair comparison. We're talking, what...4 times the amount of time McFarlane had it?
Again, don't make excuses for Todd here. Mattel rarely did variants or weird one-off versions until near the end and that appears to be a large part of what started the decline of the line for them (the Lantern wave). Instead they focused on team building which I honestly feel like more people here who are Team Mattel are more concerned about than even scaling. I might have jumped on the McFarlane train if he had showed early on that he was willing to do some team building but there was just so much Batman. That, alongside his dislike of making female characters made me realize he would never even begin to approach the breadth of characters that Mattel had achieved in a relatively small amount of waves.
This is all on Todd here. Not Mattel for snatching the line back up. He dragged his feet and wasted valuable slots on absolutely asinine character selection.
At least we won't have chase figures anymore. Not knowing which figure you'll get until it arrives in the mail.
I absolutely pity you DC collectors over this and dread the day it infects any line I collect.
It wasn't as often as people make it out to be. Perhaps if you only ordered from Amazon, but ordering from places like BBTS, EE, Best Buy, etc. I never once got a figure I wasn't expecting to get. You just never saw anyone making posts about getting the figure they ordered, so the "I got a platinum I didn't want" posts stuck out.
@therealsmallville You could've had a collection as complete as DCUC if McFarlane hadn't decided to go the route of making every Batman under the sun and then Jokerizing everything else. Don't be mad at us, be mad at daddy Todd.
Todd was supposed to create in 4 years what Mattel did in 15? It's a weird comparison to make, saying McFarlane could have done what Mattel did in only a quarter of the time.
In regards to teams we have way more teen titans, Legion of Superheroes, Lanterns, Metal Men, Suicide Squad, Batman Family, Superman Family, Shazam Family, New God's from Mattel than from Mcfarlane.
Mattel had the license forever, McFarlane just completed year 4. I would hope Mattel had completed more teams in the time they had it, it's not a very fair comparison. We're talking, what...4 times the amount of time McFarlane had it?
Again, don't make excuses for Todd here. Mattel rarely did variants or weird one-off versions until near the end and that appears to be a large part of what started the decline of the line for them (the Lantern wave). Instead they focused on team building which I honestly feel like more people here who are Team Mattel are more concerned about than even scaling. I might have jumped on the McFarlane train if he had showed early on that he was willing to do some team building but there was just so much Batman. That, alongside his dislike of making female characters made me realize he would never even begin to approach the breadth of characters that Mattel had achieved in a relatively small amount of waves.
This is all on Todd here. Not Mattel for snatching the line back up. He dragged his feet and wasted valuable slots on absolutely asinine character selection.
Facts are excuses now? McFarlane had the license for approximately 1/4 the time Mattel had it, it's not an excuse for anything - it's literally a fact. We'll never know how the line may have turned out if he'd had it for the same amount of time, or had it with the same sort of corporate budget.
@therealsmallville You could've had a collection as complete as DCUC if McFarlane hadn't decided to go the route of making every Batman under the sun and then Jokerizing everything else. Don't be mad at us, be mad at daddy Todd.
Todd was supposed to create in 4 years what Mattel did in 15? It's a weird comparison to make, saying McFarlane could have done what Mattel did in only a quarter of the time.
He says, totally ignoring the points about all the Batmen and jokerized figures.
Cut out a 4 year segment of DCUC figures and compare it to McFarlane's 4 years and the difference in unique characters and team building is probably just as staggering.
I unapologetically want a DC line that fits in both aesthetically and articulationally with Marvel Legends, because having Thor and Superman fighting Doomsday while looking like they fit (reasonably) within the same line is as self explanatory as it gets.
Don't they make Marvel Select Thor's that are scaled to reasonably fit with a McFarlane Superman fighting Doomsday? So in essence, you already had this as an option.
This is the point I'm trying to make. A lot of people here and online are dancing on the grave of McFarlane because "we get to go back to 6 inches for pew pew bang bang Iron Man vs Batman, baby!", but that was already an option. Between SHF, Mafex, and Mezco, that option was there to mix companies. Marvel Select fits in just fine with McFarlane DC for your spandex-clad characters to "interact." DCUC exists, it's there, you can even still buy the figures new in package. At my local toy show, there's a guy who has hundreds of them every show. Those "interact" great with Marvel Legends. For those of us who were enjoying McFarlane's line precisely because it was 7", for those of us who don't give a shit about recreating poorly written and poorly drawn intercompany crossovers on our shelves, we lost quite a bit here.
Someone will say "yeah, but that's what happened to us when Mattel lost the license!" No...it isn't. When Mattel lost the license, you had every character under the sun made by them because they had the license for so long. We don't have that complete collection from McFarlane yet...they aren't the same thing at all.
That's a disingenuous argument to make. Marvel Select has no where near the breadth of characters that Legends has. Same for Medicom and Bandai, who also come in at a far greater price point and aren't sold in the same aisle at Target/Walmart as Hasbro's stuff. I could be wrong, but I don't think many collectors are looking to recreate Wolverine vs Lobo from 1995 on their shelf, they just would prefer if all things being equal that their superhero lines scale with each other. That strikes me as a totally rational want. The old Mattel line is dated and personally I don't think it's very good, this is a new beginning and now is the time for those to voice their wants and expectations. For me, I'm never going to pose Superman and Cyclops together on my shelf, but if you're asking me if I want them to scale with each other then sure. Why not? I like cohesion. I think many collectors do. There's nothing the 1:10 scale offers me over 1:12 and vice versa so it has nothing to do with scale preference, but I have a bunch of Marvel figures and this is a reset for DC so, yeah, just go with something akin to 1:12 and make it good. Be better than Legends, as that's not exactly a high bar.
I've seen nothing but sympathy here for those who enjoyed McFarlane's output and now won't have their wish lists fulfilled. It sucks. We've all been there when a line we like gets cancelled before it feels complete. It's not an affront to McFarlane fans for DC collectors to be excited by the possibility of what a Mattel figure line could be in 2026. There's reasons for optimism, there are reasons to be a pessimist too, but right now it's all unknown.
Blame Mego. They started the whole idea of having DC and Marvel figures that fit together seamlessly.
As for McFarlane completing teams, it was never going to happen even if he had ten more years, at least not for me, because half his figures are great and the other half I wouldn’t pay $5 for if they came with a $25 Amazon gift card.
All of the comments about McFarlane losing the line before it’s “finished” are forgetting context. We got the entire DCUC line (outside of MattyCollector exclusives) in less than the amount of time that Todd has held the DC license. All 20 waves were released between 2008 and 2012. DCUC gave us the Justice League, Doom Patrol, JSA, scores of villains and obscure characters, the ability to make era-specific teams like the 80s JLI. The one big miss was the Perez Titans.
Meanwhile Todd spent years on Endless Winter and Metal variants that hit the clearance rack and we still don’t have a proper Justice League. Does anyone have their iconic Batman/Superman figure that isn’t kitbashed?
McFarlane could have completed more teams and made more iconic characters but they missed the boat. They instead decided to produce a lot of unique stuff that ended up being unpopular. Based on what they are still making now, clearly the classics are what sells.
@mysticmanjrf Yes, and after all of those early figures with original sculpts, those of us that were waiting patiently for more classic (or at least mainstream continuity) DC characters were rewarded with an endless array of Blue Beetle double boot tops, Jon Kent ankle bracelets, Knightfall Catwoman/Speeding Bullets Batman repaints, and no paint deco on the backs of several figures.
Not that I’m bitter about that.
I am surprised to see some folks stan for Todd’s line as hard as they are. It consistently looks like dogmess drenched in vomit to me, some of the most hideous, lumpen sculpting in the business with mediocre paint apps, cheap plastic, and massive pins. A friend of mine is a huge Bats and Supes fan and every time he shows off his latest monstrosity I feel kinda bad for him.
(and yeah, the stupid chase variant thing: he ordered the recent vibrant Chris Reeve Supes and they sent him the miserable Superman III variant in the drab colours, whoops)
Mattel may well screw it up just as bad but for now I’m very happy just to see someone else get a go.
I am surprised to see some folks stan for Todd’s line as hard as they are. It consistently looks like dogmess drenched in vomit to me, some of the most hideous, lumpen sculpting in the business with mediocre paint apps, cheap plastic, and massive pins. A friend of mine is a huge Bats and Supes fan and every time he shows off his latest monstrosity I feel kinda bad for him.
Now you know since you said that someone is going to post an early 2000s Toybiz Marvel Legend something along the line of Scarlet Mitch as definitive proof that Marvel Legends are even worse.
Copious amounts of jackassery supplied by Deadpool and Ambush Bug.
I feel like they would *hate* each other, and SheHulk would pound both of them in the noggin to shut up; then Boris the Bear pokes in from the panel's edge to say something snarky about them all.
All of the comments about McFarlane losing the line before it’s “finished” are forgetting context. We got the entire DCUC line (outside of MattyCollector exclusives) in less than the amount of time that Todd has held the DC license. All 20 waves were released between 2008 and 2012.
You have a funny way of saying that Mattel released the 20th wave of DCUC in 2012, after having the DC license since 2003, so it only took them 9 years. They've had 5 years of buildup before starting on Classics.
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